Fairy Chess Piece Values

Advanced long-range attack pieces

Amazon=12

Queen=9

Marshal(Chancellor)=8

Princess(Archbishop)=7

DragonKing=6.5

DragonHorse=5.5

Intermediate long-range attack pieces：

Rook=5

Bishop=4（Bishops perform better on large boards）

Cannon=3.5points

Arbalist =3 （Diagonal version of the Cannon）

All 8-square pieces are worth 3 points：

Knight=3

Guardian (Mann)=3

Ship（Dabbaba+Wazir)=3

Elephant (Alfil+Ferz)=3

Camel=3

Zibra=3

Alibbaba=3

Restricted eight-square chess pieces or chess pieces that control 5 to 7 squares：

Drunken Elephant（Ancient Japanese Shogi,which can control 7 squares）= 2.75points

Xiangqi Horse= 2.5 points

Gold general= 2.5 points

Silver general (Murkruk Khon )= 2.25 points

Korean Shogi 士= 2.25 points

Korean Shogi 象= 2.25 points （Restricted version of Zebra）

4 squares are all worth 2 points：

Wazir=2

Ferz=2

Dabbaba=2

Alfil=2

Pawns of different chess games in the world：

Korean shogi pawn:1.5points at the start, 1 point when reaching the end point

Xiangqi pawn: 0.5points initially, 1.5points for crossing the river, 1 point for reaching the bottom line

Japanese Shogi Pawn: 0.5points, unless upgraded to a Gold General.

Western Chess Pawn: Always 1 point ，unless upgraded to another unit.

Kings and other exotic chess pieces：

King and King General in Western Chess: Generally ♾️ points, but their actual combat power is roughly equivalent to that of a Guardian (3 points)

Chu-Han （楚漢）in Korean Shogi: Generally ♾️ points, but their actual combat power is comparable to that of a Korean Shi（士） (2.25points)

General(將/帥） in Xiangqi: Generally ♾️ points, their moves are roughly equivalent to those of a Wazir, but their power is weakened by the nine-square grid ( 1.5points)

The Xiangqi elephant(象/相）：moves similarly to Alfil, but is restricted by blocking the elephant 's eye and cannot cross the river, so it's only worth 1.5points.

The Xiangqi Shi (士/仕）moves similarly to Ferz, but is restricted by the nine-square grid, so it's also only worth 1.5points.

Japanese shogi 香車=2

Japanese shogi 桂馬=1.5points（It is weak and can only control two points, but it is not restricted by the horse's foot.）

Chancellor=8.3/8.5 at least & Archbishop=7.5/7.75 minimum

HG Muller what do you say about Mini Forest ?

When Q=9, C=8.5 and A=8.25.

Ferz and Wazir are more like 1.5. (A pair of Ferzes on average loses from a Knight.)

Dabbaba only 1, due to the severe color binding, and Alfil even less. Conventional Shatranj piece values value a Ferz twide as much as an Alfil. Alibaba suffers from the same problem, and is thus probably less than 2. The corresponding riders hardly do better: they cannot access more squares, (so only 25% or 12.5%) and do not cover many more squares at once, because they already jump off the board after just a few steps.

I have no idea what a Mini Forest is...

Dragon Amazon, it moves like a queen and a xiangqi knight, worth 10.5 points

Western knight amazon's 12, so wouldn't xiangqi knight amazon be 11 or something?

@HGMuller @Nordlandia @Fet Is there a lot of empirical data on Dragon King and Dragon Horse in western fairy chess context? Each complementary ferz and wazir provides 8 orthogonally adjacent concentration contacts to rook and bishop moves, on top of the base 1,5 from the 4 square leaper as a component, and Dragon Horse gets 0,5 Bishop pair bonus similar to queen and archbishop? Comparing Archbishop to Dragon Horse in particular: 3,25(knight)+3,25(bishop)+0,5 (bishop pair), the deficit between 7 and the empirically tested value of 8,75 is 1,75. If you look at that deficit as "bonus gained by two piece move sets without orthogonal adjacency gaining orthogonal adjacency concentration", it's 0,875 per minor piece. If you look at Dragon Horse as a combination of orthogonally deficient minor piece and an orthogonally deficient half minor piece, the same formula would be 0,875*1,5 = 1,3125 added to 3,25 (bishop) + 1,5 (wazir) +0,5 (bishop pair) = 6,56. Dragon King already has an orthogonally saturated rook, so ferz's orthogonal deficiency gaining saturation is 0,875*0,5 = added to 5 (rook) + 1,5 (ferz) = 6,94.
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Is this heuristic slightly over-tuned for real-world data? Chancellor is 9,125 under this orthogonal deficiency being filled in the components heuristic, whereas real world performance puts it closer to 9, and queen is 9,625 (reasonable, as some rate it as 9,75, not 9,5). Have to use Mann's centralized endgame value of 3,75-4 for this heuristic too (instead of early game 2,5 or midgame 3,25), or Centaur ends up slightly under-tuned too. (3,25+3,75+0,875=7,875) Presumably, the knight doubles mann's speed and lets it reach its endgame value faster, that's where the value is coming from?

So,the grasshopper is fairy chess piece, which moves like a queen but it can jump.While no piece in it's way.There is no movement.So do you think stronger than a bishop & knight.

So just being curious, where is this piece being used?

Is Rook + Ferz roughly on par Knight + Man in face value ?

Dragon King(R+F) - 7, Centaur(N+M) - 8, at Q=9,5 on 8x8, but have to wait for mueller to confirm, he's probably busy. I'd imagine the bigger the board the more the gap closes and reverses.