Stalemate is a win for which player? Historically, in Chaturanga and some chess variants in England, stalemate was actually a win for the person who got stalemated.
Also would repetition be a loss or a win? And would you be able to claim a "win by the fifty move rule?" If you were the last one to do anything interesting in the game at the start of move 51 after the last capture or pawn move?
Another point here...
It's not impossible to stalemate with a bare king if your opponent still has pawns.
So there's a question here of whether baring your opponents King should always count as a mate, if they can still theoretically win.
Stalemate is a win for which player? Historically, in Chaturanga and some chess variants in England, stalemate was actually a win for the person who got stalemated.
Also would repetition be a loss or a win? And would you be able to claim a "win by the fifty move rule?" If you were the last one to do anything interesting in the game at the start of move 51 after the last capture or pawn move?
Stalemate should be a loss for the player who can no longer make a legal move, since you know, they can't move but the other player can?
I don't think repetition should be a draw either but I'm willing to leave that as is. Same with 50 move rule.
How I think repetition should be handled is like what Shogi does (similar chess like game) the player who started repeating moves must do something else or else they automatically lose the game. However Idk if the shogi rule would be healthy in chess, or torpedo chess, so drawing might be unavoidable in such situations, same may be true of the 50 move rule as well.
Another point here...
It's not impossible to stalemate with a bare king if your opponent still has pawns.
So there's a question here of whether baring your opponents King should always count as a mate, if they can still theoretically win."
I mean its an interesting point but I think the moment a king is bare of all other pieces it should be ab automatic loss unless he can make the other king bare on his next turn. If he can then and only then is it a draw
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Torpedo makes chess more decisive, but chess is a draw even with stalemate = win.
See Figure 2 b.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2009.04374.pdf
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Torpedo makes chess more decisive, but chess is a draw even with stalemate = win.
See Figure 2 b.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2009.04374.pdf
That's why I'm proposing combining the rules so that stalemate=win and then adding rules from Shogi/eastern chess variants that address draws by repetition without making them draws, (if it is possible to do in chess while keeping the game healthy anyways) then you'd have a truly decisive game. Figure 2b has only one set of rules shown at a time since torpedo pawns and stalemate=win were the best combining them seems like a logical move at the very least!
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If the aim is to make Chess more decisive, then easier is to change the 3-fold repetition rule.
If it were illegal to repete positions, like in Go or Stratego, then Chess would be more decisive.
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If the aim is to make Chess more decisive, then easier is to change the 3-fold repetition rule.
If it were illegal to repete positions, like in Go or Stratego, then Chess would be more decisive.
I think combining all of the rule changes and maybe even adding a point system so that draws are impossible might be an idea as well.
thanks to Variants and custom games we can finally play a better version of Chess. I don't really understand why we don't update chess rules to this setup: Torpedo pawns, pawns are so much more interesting to use and en passant happens constantly, and it doesn't fundamentally change much about pawn structures, etc. like some other variants do, and because of the nature of torpedo pawns, draws are much less likely to happen. If you make a bare king = win (and why shouldn't it be?) and Stalemate=win, draws become even less likely to happen, I know Anish Giri and people like him will be sad, that they can't draw in a lost position but how high does the draw rate have to be before it clicks that the rules are the problem here? Sure we would have to develop new theory especially for endgames but I really think the torpedo pawns is an amazing variant that more people should try, even without removing drawn game states, but if chess had like, a 5% draw rate at top level wouldn't that be a good thing?