Martin vs The world Analysis thread

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USAuPzlBxBob

White playing Knight to the Rank 5…

  …   O-O-O

Anyway, it get heavier and heavier, but no immediate jeopardy along this line.  It's just very tight and we may not be able to defend everything.

And I've now listed the 3 possible, and most likely lines: the Nxc6 line, the Rd1 line, and the Nb5 line.

That's about it… so we wait to see what Martin plays.

Bob

P.S.  I'm brand new at posting these Diagrams with Moves, so I have a lot to learn on them.

USAuPzlBxBob

One last thing...

No way in the world was Martin expecting Nc6.  He was expecting O-O-O.

I bet we threw him for a loop.

Still, I envy him because he has a nice position to work from.

We struggle while he just wakes up everyday, and casually decides what he wants to do.

Hoping for complacency on his part.

(but I really think he's going to play Nxc6+)

ItsAPawndemonium

So far it still seems like martin is better, even after nxc6+

ItsAPawndemonium

Still needs more analysis but I think martin is still better

USAuPzlBxBob

PlayYolo, that's funny… your 100th comment on the main thread.  (I thought it was Martin's move.)

On your diagram with moves, strategically… I like the idea of our King going to Martin's flawed side… the split pawns side.  Our King would become a combatant, there. (like having another piece at our disposal compared to his King, which is a mere figurehead at the moment)

But let me just add that I welcome your contributions.  You're exploring moves to a deeper level than that explored by the cellphone legions of the cellphone-mentality world.

Chess is supposed to be a deep thought exercise.  Someone walking their dog, riding their bicycle, crossing the street… while looking down at their cellphone does not measure up to the standards of traditional chess analysis.

USAuPzlBxBob

Furthermore, it is not enough for Martin to be 'still better'.

This game is exceedingly complex, and the level of difficulty to affect a Win is Herculean, at least.

Selfishly, I'm going to suggest to Ry in the very near future, on every move, that we preface our move the day before with an offer of a Draw to Martin.

Secretly, I'm hoping I divine a winning combination in the future of this game — forced — whereby we don't offer a Draw the one time Martin would accept it, and in so doing sandbag his efforts so that he just shakes his head sideways with what's going on!

In all seriousness, I do jest! happy.png

(just a game… I should be doing house repairs during these hot summer days)

ItsAPawndemonium
USAuPzlBxBob wrote:

PlayYolo, that's funny… your 100th comment on the main thread.  (I thought it was Martin's move.)

Sorry for that, the opportunity was just perfect.

 It seems that the king going for the other side is not really good either way. But the split pawns side has it's risks too, as if the king tries to be more aggressive it might be dangerous because of the open files with the major pieces still on, but if there were less pieces, the king might be better there to attack the weak pawns.

But yeah, it's gonna fizzle out into a draw eventually

USAuPzlBxBob

Sort of agree.  Martin doesn't want to lose.  A draw offer might easily be accepted before the outcome is obvious.  I've already put in over 100 hours on this game. (it's fun, over a cup of coffee; but posting is exceedingly tedious)

I can't imagine Martin putting in hundreds of hours… I think he is playing many games simultaneously.  He'd have to have limitations that prevent him from being a superman.

We'll see.  He's thinking a long time on his current move… that's a good thing.

USAuPzlBxBob

Yolo, on White's weak side Black King risks…

I'm playing the Daily Puzzle everyday, these days.

I'm used to seeing the tightrope walk.

It's what makes chess fun! happy.png

Tja_05

He took on c6. Now we recapture with the female king, right?

USAuPzlBxBob

Current Position (Black to Move)

Here's the diagram, and shown is our forced move.

Do not play this move right away, even though it is forced.  We should be using every tool in our strategy-toolbox, and one of those tools is to think on free time afforded us.  We have to look at Martin moving to several locations, in detail, and having plenty of time to analyze is key to our survival.  For example, in my analysis yesterday I never studied Martin's next possible move of his playing his Queen to b4 or a3, next, preventing our King from castling long without playing Red1 immediately.

A lot of work still in front of us.  At least the pesky Knight is gone.  No more Knight for Rook (or Drunken Bishop) exchange worries.

gyrados06

How come 0-0-0 wasn't played

USAuPzlBxBob

If after Qxc6 Martin plays Qa3…

  •  Qa3    O-O                                Qa3 prevents castling long
    •   e5    Qc5                        e5 may be a blunder for the endgame; tried it happy.png
      • Qxc5   Rxc5          Would Martin trade Queens?  Maybe. happy.png
          f4        g6             Prepping moves for the Battle Royale.
        Red1    Rhc8
         Rd4     Bc6          Would Martin trade Bishops?  No. frustrated.png
         Bd3      b5            3 defenders
         Rb1       a6            If pawn x pawn instead: big trade down. happy.png
          a4       Ka7
      •  axb5   axb5
        • Ra1+   Kb6
          • Rd6    bxc4
            Rb1      Ka5
            Ra1+    Kb4
            Ra4+   Kc3
            Be2     Bb5
            Ra3+   Kb2   passed pawn happy.png
          • Rb1     Bxc4  winning & passed pawn happy.png
            Rd6+   Bc6   
      • axb5     axb5
        Bxc6    R8xc6
        Rd7+      
      • Bb3      bxc4  winning & passed pawn happy.png
    • e5    Qc5
      •  Qh3    g6        setting up a safe diagonal; e5 is a poison pawn
         Red1   h5        safe diagonal done
         Qh4   Re8       pre-move for all sorts of things

This is about as far as I can go.  Here's what I learned.

  • Unless forced, our King is better castling on the right.
  • The "meat" of the problem is keeping that c file pawn at c5.
    • It's perfect left there!
  •  We have an uncanny ability to defend our King on b8 as long as our DB remains put.
    • Take our DB away from a6 and we'll get in trouble.
    • DB on c6 is good defense, too
  • With Queens on "board" things are too risky
    • Just look for Martin inaccuracies, maybe start offering Draws
  • If Queens come off 'board" we have plenty of ammo to take out c4
  • Good chance for a Draw, slight chance for a Win.

 

USAuPzlBxBob

Ry, I'm done with my analysis.  Too time consuming to go deeper until Martin moves again.

I vote Qxc6 for our next move, which would be played as Kxc6 on Martin's thread.

Would be curious to see what others have to comment.

Bob

matthew_b_rook

Alright, I vote Qxc6 because it's forced but it certainly looks dangerous

matthew_b_rook

I agree with draw offer

USAuPzlBxBob

Yes.  He won't bite on the first Draw Offer, but he'll find it curious.

Just so you know, if we can trade the Queens down, and get him to play e5, I saw lots of winning for us if we could castle on the right.  But he'll take that away from us.

Watch, he'll play Red1.  That's his next move.

USAuPzlBxBob

Preface the Draw Offer as being good only up to the time at which he posts his move.

Once he posts his move, the Draw Offer becomes invalid.

(we might like his move)

This might be standard practice with Draw Offers.  (don't know)

matthew_b_rook

Yeah I think that is standard practice

USAuPzlBxBob

Ry, wait until tomorrow evening, Wednesday, to post our move.

I have to get my car worked on tomorrow morning.

When I'm back home, I'd like to circle back and run my initial analyses on the next move I think Martin will play, namely Red1+.  Then I can give you some more "confidence" indicators on what our chances are, or real negatives.  But I need this extra time of another day.

I'll see if I overlooked anything, and I'll also know if I see any serious detriments to Martin's attacks.

I get the feeling that we can win this game.  But there are certain lines where no risks are taken by Martin, and a Draw is certain.  If he doesn't play those, there are weird idiosyncrasies that arise, because of the DB right angles and pawn interference that help us.

I'd love to report back on severe shortcomings for Martin, but I can only do so much each day before I burn out.

Please wait until tomorrow evening before posting the next move.