So basically, the question right now is how detrimental is a 30 second minus on your clock in a 2|0 game? What about other time controls?
And even later in the game it can get confusing.
How much would a person's rating go down if black moved first?
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Jun 10, 2015
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Interesting point. I thought of something similar to this before. All I have to say is thankfully white moves first and things won''t be changed (:
Jun 10, 2015
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#4
Estimation a hundred rating points?
@ErnstStavroBlofeld1, thank you for the post.
Most people's ratings wouldn't go down at all since everybody would be faced with the same problem.
However, some people's brains would function better than others, adjusting more rapidly because they enjoyed a relative brain ambidexterity over others whose heads asploded.
I imagine it's not a lot different than the problem facing Chess 960 players.
Jun 10, 2015
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#7
notmtwain wrote:
Most people's ratings wouldn't go down at all since everybody would be faced with the same problem.
However, some people's brains would function better than others, adjusting more rapidly because they enjoyed a relative brain ambidexterity over others whose heads asploded.
I imagine it's not a lot different than the problem facing Chess 960 players.
I said that "if the other player is accustomed to this variant"
Jun 10, 2015
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#8
interesting french transposition?
giving away a tempo as white at the start of the game for no good reason
Jun 10, 2015
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#9
If you love playing the french defense, and don't know any theory or ideas for the white side, it's quite viable.
But focus on the question.
Jun 10, 2015
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#10
this is not a variant
1. flip the board so black plays up
2. reference from blacks point of view, so h8 is now a1
the only thing that changes is the color of the tile (square)
so a1 is a dark tile
no change to the actual game
p.s it would take me ONE move to adjust
I would play a white Sicilian no rating points effected
Jun 10, 2015
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#12
Really, it isn't possible for you to take 0 seconds to adjust. And we are talking about a 2|0 game here.
Jun 10, 2015
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#13
I have played this a few times:
you know that it would be the same right?
Jun 10, 2015
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#17
bb_gum234 wrote:
It would definitely make some positions look weird.
I don't think it would hurt that ratings much though.
And after a day or two of playing I think you'd get used to it.
We are talking about this scenario: You have no preparation for this variation of chess, and it's a two minute game.
bb_gum234 wrote:
krzysztof7 wrote:
you know that it would be the same right?
Right.
But I've heard of using this as a sort of trick though. A coach will show a student a well known middlegame position, with colors reversed, and ask them what the best plans are. Sometimes the student wont recognize it, and come up with bad plans. (which means they don't really understand the position).
Yes but ther fact moving first would have nothing to do with that I think, am I wrong?
Jun 10, 2015
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#19
then how would it affect your rating? if you play just one game?
by the second game most people would have adapted.
my understanding of the ELO formula is that it returns more accurate results over time after more games have been played.
How much would a persons rating go down at a time control of 2|0 if black moved first?
We are talking about a person who relies heavily on openings and is rated about 1700.
Here is an example:
This is the Dragon Sicilian:
If I intended to play this line as "white" and if black moved first:
I wasted approximately 30 seconds trying to adjust to black moving first. Assuming that white was accustomed to this type of variation, I would have spent about 30 seconds to 10, a disatvantage in a 2 minute game.