New variants using common pieces amongst them.

Do you have to make the font by yourself?

I was twice, sort of. Plus it does not mean smartest. School is a trick, that can be learned & manipulated. You do not need to be smart to ace everything. Mind you, you can't be a fool.
First time it was taken away, and given to Val Breed. Because I missed 127-of 180 days of school. So the grades held no meaning. I could not take the finals. The following year I made up for it & claimed it. Val(who happened to be my neighbor too) can memerize anything. Like my mom could. Yet she can not apply it. To a single skill, craft or trade. Outside of her math skills. So she is truly not that smart at all. Just book smart. She also lacked a lot of common sense. While to this day lives off the system. So being smart is a little deeper than that.

I am truely surprised you read the whole thing. If you are not drawn to the drama. That surprises me.
I willl answers your thoughts tho.
1) Takes little time to write this. I look when bored or bugged by a friend to look. Otherwise I find other thing to do. My jobs give me a lot of free time.
2)I do not care about his opinion. I have three main reasons I do this.

A] I love debating, it is what I do. I live very well from it. While learning more, the more I do it. So as much as he/she or what ever believes, I enjoy this. As much as it frustates s/he, I think s/he likes it too. While on a different level. It is a need or desire to win. Something that can not be done in a two person debate. Without outside influence. Where as I enjoy the core of the debate, in itself.
B] I am encouraged to do so. Plus I have a beat going. That I can convince him to get tested. My friend does not thing I can(posting that, just made me lose that bet, most likely) I know a lot in this feild of study. Because of who I know. I really want to know if I am right. Because I don't say it to be mean. I say it to see if I was right.

C]I am still curious what sex s/he is for real. I enjoy insight into non normal thinking minds. What makes them tick. I enjoy seeing to two side of his/her personality. Sadly no one on here has gotten to see the fun side, yet.  Also if it is a disorder that causes that too, or is it simply a fetish to a strong desire. To the point of shame. So the way they speak of it in riddles. Is a manner to mask it.

3)Nothing that is a priority, no. This is a way to kill time. No different than playing a game to me.
4)If you read through our debates. You will see I do just jump back on topic. Like nothing. Normaly before they can even reply. I do it on purpose to show I am not upset. That I say this without a stressful emotional drive. Rather an enjoyment. Plus most this started from s/he telling me why I made changes to the game. Only hearing their own delusions, and nothing more. While basing their guesses on nothing. Except more guess. While just jumping to a new made up thing. As soon as I prove with great detail. The prior accusation. Rather than even defend how I prove they are wrong. As if he could know why I did something, when we think so very different. You need great sympathy and empathy to do that.
5) Aside from me belittling him/her. For not debating right. Which they can simply look up how to properly do. I do speak well. I adress all his/her points. While using both example and fact while doing so. Doing my best to not use opinion. While making it very clear when it is opinion, and not using that to prove the point. There are two options as an adult. Like them think they are right, when they are not, or prove them wrong. Being the 'bigger man'. Only lets those who were wrong think they are right. Making it harder on the next person, every time. That is stuck trying to convince them to see their fualt. Because someone enforced it as true, in their head, prior. It hurts things. Just because people would rather not be bothered. They are not always being the 'bigger man'.

I addressed the last part to me. In my opening statement.

The fact that you made it into a debate at all (over nothing) is the issue, Bud. Doesn't matter than you "jumped back on topic". The point of fact is that you needn't have jumped off topic to cause trouble to begin with.

And yes, you do care about my opinion. Otherwise, you wouldn't so much have cared to write an entire novel over the fact that I was emotionally unstable/weak/hurt/etc. or otherwise.

A moderator has asked you to stop. Please just do it.

I am glad I am finally getting through to you. Plus I know you did not want me to take this to where I was about to. So I am happy you had at least a little insight. In to your emotions. It was not an opinion of yours I wanted. I wanted you to have to see it for yourself, because you did not. Back to the game. That I will hear your opinion on. Providing it retains to the issues I want to fix.
The thing is you did not offer much suggestions of improvements. You mainly told me why I changed something. Then told me to put it back. When I would go into great detail, as to why I changed somethig. Instead of addressing the reason I changed something. You made up your own reasons as to why. You can not help me fix what I changed. To fix something. If you can even see why I changed it. From me switching the king/knight into two pieces like I had before. To fix that he could protect everything. To making the snake(now dragon) mirror the magicain/wiz, and taken away some of its leaps while making it not a royal. So it had equal amount of attacting squares as most everything else. You did not offer much suggestions of improvements. You resited any change what so ever.

So lets try this again.....If you look at most the AOC sets it was 3 sets plus an extra leaper. So if you take the three extra pair and add the royals. You have the 4th set. So aside from adding the slave pawn class and royals. The 4 set is about the same size. Also the 6 set board layout is the closest to the main two AOC version. Than any other board I have made. Even down to the jacks the touch each other. Which I agreed with you, that I liked a kept.
So using the 6set layout as a guide line. What is the best 4 set layouts using 4 sets worth of the 6 sets worth of pieces? Without changing much of the pieces that are not being removed. On the same 16x16 or 16x14(tall). While adding no more than 4 black tiles per quarter board. I personaly feel the duke, dutchess, fortress, and battering ram are the most unfitting pieces in the set. Also in case you did not noticed. I changed the emperor. No one like how he moved. So it was decided to make him. The royal that was both of the advanced knights, or a king/knight. So that piece is back as a royal.

By font do you mean the symbles/icons. I drew most of them and ripped the rest. I am not using a normal winboard. HGMuller has made a lot of modifications to mine. I can make 24x24 sized board(I think it is that anyways. I can make any piece castle with any other piece. Providing the piece the royal is castling with is on the edge of the board or black tile. I can have up to 49 icons. If I use the 24 in game plus the lion, plus I can add 23 more icons. Muller made it so A & A' are different. Just the lion is a little differnert in how it works. I think it is pre programed. I am not sure.
There are most likely several other mods, I am not thinking about, or just do not know about. All in all anything I can do in this that is not normal to winboard. Is because HGMuller made it happen. He is awesome!

Ace569er 

How did you manage to edit that winboard default font, i can't find it please help! 

I would edit some symbols because they look kinda ugly. 

By font do you mean the symbles/icons?

I drew most of them and ripped the rest. Imported the tiles. I am not using a normal winboard. HGMuller has made a lot of modifications to mine. I can make 24x24 sized board(I think it is that anyways). I can make any piece castle with any other piece. Providing the piece the royal is castling with is on the edge of the board or black tile. I can have up to 47 icons. If I use the 23 in game plus the lion, plus I can add 23 more icons. Muller made it so A & A' are different. Just the lion is a little differnert in how it works. I think it is pre programed. I am not sure.
There are most likely several other mods, I am not thinking about, or just do not know about. All in all, anything I can do in. That is not normal to winboard. Is because HGMuller made it happen. He is awesome!

man.....
I'm in this one. I thought I was in the 6 set thread. Was not paying attention. These ones are not what I play with. I going back to my main thread of the 6 set game. This thread can be locked for all I care. If you decide to want to input Battle. Do it on the other thread, please. Here is the 4 set I can come up with at the moment.

I'm just asking because in winboard the icon for non-royal king aka Commoner is something that resembles a "bell" like icon. I want something like upside down king to showcase the non-royal one in more style!

I see. Tho I prefer everything it's own icon. I get what you mean. You would need to download my game and use it's custom winboard. I think. You could change my custom data and replaced the imported file. From what I am using. I want to say the instructions file, in my game. Gives enough infromation to learn to do it. This link will show you how to use the custom data file for the most part. Muller is the master of XBoard & Winboard. I just use it to make my game possible.

http://www.gnu.org/software/xboard/Betza.html

You wouldn't have delivered; because you've been saying the same thing for months. 

Neither have you even so much addressed the core of the actual suggestions I gave you back when (Your version here seems a highly dumbed-down, superficialized white-lie of what I actually said.), but anyways, I'm glad you're cooperating.

Please carry on.

Because I know how much it would hurt you inside. I may not really care. That does not mean I want to be mean. I was leting you decide.

I just edited my last post. That is the best 4 set I can find. To make moving to the six. Not a whole new game. Is that closer to what you like. There is even a king/knight in it. (I would prefer to talk about this game. In it's own thread by the way)

No, you wouldn't have delivered because you know you couldn't. Not only do chess.com rules prohibit you from bringing up topics of x-rated nature (which, as adults, we are allowed to have), but you know that  blackmailing other people with inappropriate business that no one cares or wants to care about is juvenile and doesn't make me look bad.

You already know that I'm mostly unaffected by much of what you say. That's why you have to try to paint a pitty picture (of me being hurt and emotionally unstable) to make your stance looks better. Again, you've been doing that for months.

Dude, you totally came out of left field and have no clue!

The thread has never been a sensible thread.

Frankly, I would agrue the 2 people bickering on this thread are on-topic.

The Topic of this thread is useless.

2 people bickering about useless stuff are fitting in with the topic.

Thus, you might as well take up a seat near me and let them carry on!

Actually, as much as I hate to say, I would have to agree. Acer already has a thread like this, and I wondered why he felt the need to start a new one. (I wouldn't personally say "useless"; simply needless.)

This thread is dead to me anyways..... I said that. This is not the game I am working on. I am only interested in my finish 6 set game. As while as this 4 set one I am working on. Which has it's own thread.

Exactly!

Acer did a thread transfer.

It was a dumb thread transfer.

He had a thread which had over 75k views.

Tons of people chimed in for improvements.

He decided to start a new one with no views!

No one chimes in.

This thread is dead half the time.

People talk on it every other 3 weeks to 1 month time frame.

The improvements which get suggested get ignored and replaced with fabricated ones.

Acer is obsessed with the idea that adding more pieces to his fictitious game is some sort of improvement.

Well the sad truth is he is wrong.

Adding piece after pieces doesn't make the game improve.

It makes the game go deeper into the fictitious abyss in which it was created!

People forget simply games have survived through out history for so long!

Take the game tic-tac-toe for example.

It has been around forever.

The game tic-tac-toe will never be forgotten.

People still play it.

The only reason a person ventures into more complex games is when they feel like they want a greater challenge.

Which in of itself is one of the main reasons why a person would seek out more complex things over simplicity.

However, once they seek out the more complex game for example.

They still want the element of simpicity which should be inherent!

Take the game of chess.

Chess is considered both a complex and simple game!

At its core chess is a simple game.

Which has been learned by millions of kids around the world!

The object is to win the game.

You are given equal material.

You can learn how each piece moves.

The part which makes chess complex is being about to master these simple elements vs another person!

The problem with Acers variant is no one can learn the simple parts of his variant.

They may know the object is to win.

They may even know the game has equal material.

However, once again the part which I have told him multiple times is the part about learning how the pieces move!

He has a total of like 100 pieces and no individual person can really remember them all.

The excuse which was given in response was well you don't have to know each piece because the idea is to have 1 strong piece which crushes half the other teams army.

Which is an absurd excuse.

I will give you a chess metaphor to show how absurd it sounds!!!

Lets say you are going to play a chess game with out knowing how to move you pawns.

You have 8 pawns and You don't know how to move them.

You plan to only move your knights until both knights are captured.

Once they are captured you are planning to resign.

Woooo Hooo You am playing chess! You chess stud!

How absurd and retarded does that sound?

Close enough. But, more accurately, the excuse he gives is that the rusty Winboard program will display the moves for you; so you don't have to learn them.

Basically, his logicality goes like this: all you have  to do is play this game through Winboard, and you don't need to develop strategy, since Winboard shows you the moves. The end. ^-^

That aside, I enjoyed the simple lines which made up the first part of what seems to me to be your quite sophisticated slam poetry piece. =D

Talking about WinBoard, I am pretty sure Ace would be interested to use the new capability of version 4.9.0 to handle triple captures (one normal victim on the destination square, and up to two pieces elsewhere). There is a piece in the large Shogi variants (the 'Lion Dog') that can do that: it can make up to 3 King moves in one turn, but only along a single ray. So it could for instance move from e4 to d5 to c6 to d5, capturing something on d5. And it can make each non-final step as a hop as well (i.e. over an occupied square, without disturbing it).

Another cool feature is that the move generator now can be controlled from a PGN game file, and no longer needs an engine to do that (or a pseudo-engine with a custom.dat file). If you used it to play a Chess variant with non-standard pieces, and save the game to a file (or copy it to the clipboard), it now saves a VariantMen tag in the PGN that specifies how all non-standard pieces move (and, as usual, a FEN tag that specifies the initial position). When it loads the game later, it then has all the information needed to play it.

This means you could just make a dummy PGN file without any moves, but with a FEN and VariantMen tag, and then paste it into WinBoard, and you can start playing the game with those rules. E.g. if you would add to the PGN file of a normal Chess game the line

[VariantMen "Q:mcpavKmcpafmcpavK;N:WA"]

and paste that into WinBoard you would have altered the move of the Queen to this horrific triple capturer,and that of the Knight to one that steps one orthogonally (W) or jumps 2 diagonally (A).

The 4 set, that I just presented. Has 25 pieces not 100. They all move commonly. They all use only 12 different move types. Between all the pieces. Counting all the leapers moves. Most are based on just 4 different move types.  That is what makes them easy to learn. Play one game vs yourself. You will have all the pawns and every piece down. I have yet to see a single person who put forth the effort. Not be able to learn everything with great ease. Except the magician, and dragon..
Also I have taken tons of input form Muller, &  LXIVC. Plus from several others. I even used some of Battle's input. I did not listen when battle would want me to change something back. That I had fixxed. That I went in to good detail, as to why I fixed it. Plus more people agreed with & preferred the change. Armored knight, cobra, and gambit are all good examples of that.
What the highlights on winboard allow for. Is for you to play yourself and learn that much faster. While in a normal game decrease the chance for blunders. Plus make illegal moves simply not happen, on accident.
So now I have anouther person here that must exaggerate to the point of straight out lying to make his point. If you can not use truth and proper fact. Then a lot of your points lost their meaning. Only a few vague points were not exaggerated. To the point they simply were not true, lol. I get the point you were trying to make. Just can we please use a info that is right in front of you, to do so.....? Not make stuff up, or stretch the truth.


So there you go again making stuff up battle.... I never once said anything even close. To what you just made up. Please find anything I wrote that even suggests the bullshit, you just typed? Where do you even get this crap. Does your toaster talk to you and tell you these thigs? This is the exact crap I am talking about. Please stop making up things in your head. To the point you believe them. Because they have a term for that. You just blew my mind, with that one. How do you even come up with this crap, lol! I really mean it. Where did you figure I thought that? How can you even tell what I think, unless I tell you? Please find somewheres I said, what you say it is, I said.....

That is some cool new fetures, Muller. I am slightly confused on what you mean with the PNG thing. I sort of get it. Just not fully sure what the pic file is doing.
I will read it over a few more times, to see if it clicks. I really do not have a need for a triple capture tho. As cool as that is. That is a very powerful piece. Who's moves I would have trouble seeing at all times. I do like a three king move tho. That sounds neat to play with. Just on a small board with a less pieces. So I could focus more on that piece.

Sounds nice though. Do you have a download link for it Muller? I would be interested in looking at it. Can it still do everything that mine does? Fixed black tiles('j' command jumps tile), import graphics, castle with any piece, ect.