Premove Chess

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Avatar of Robert_New_Alekhine

A variant that I invented:

Premove Chess: Every single move has to be premoved! If a move is not premoved, then you lose.

Anyone want to play?

Avatar of MGleason

So... your queen can jump out into danger, but without fear, because your opponent doesn't know until after they make their response.

And then, you don't know what the response will be, but you simply grab the most valuable unprotected piece (or the second-most-valuable protected piece) that your queen is now threatening.

It would be mayhem. 

Avatar of MGleason

It would also probably result in a KQvKQ draw.

Also, what happens if a premove is not legal?  Do you get to see your opponents move as normal? 

Avatar of Robert_New_Alekhine

You have to premove every single move in advance. So you can't see if you would take or not, since you can't think for more than 0.1 seconds, the time of a premove.

If a premove is not legal, you are forced to resign (spending more than 0.1 seconds is not allowed!)

Avatar of MGleason

Seems like it would only last for about 5-10 moves before someone wasn't quick enough with their mouse or made an illegal move.

The other option would be to have a third party moderate it, and play it correspondence. 

Avatar of seanysean2

lag would suck in that

Avatar of Chicken_Monster

I'll do it if all your move are premoves, and I don't have to premove.

Avatar of Martin_Stahl

Not sure it would work well in practice.  What would work is N-1 chess. Time control doesn't really matter but a system could be programmed to only show the previous move after the next one is made.

Similar to a game of all premoves but not completely reliant on fast reflexes. Illegal moves in such a situation would need some kind of notification so a legal one could still be made.

Avatar of Robert_New_Alekhine

I was thinking of doing it via PMs. A person sends 5 moves at a time to a third party, and so does his opponent. If the third party sees that the position is still legal, he messages them back "Still legal". Then, they would send the nex moves, and so on.

Avatar of MGleason

5! moves?  Surely only one at a time is sufficient.  If you have to try to account for five possible moves, it'll quickly get unplayable in the middle-game.

Another option would be to send a list of five moves, in order of preference, and the first legal one is taken.  If none are legal, you lose.  That way, protecting pieces still sort-of works (you can use your first two moves to try to capture a couple of your own pieces that are under attack).  And your fifth move could be a simple king move or something that's almost sure to be legal.  That might be pretty interesting! 

Avatar of condude2

I'd be up for it.

Avatar of Robert_New_Alekhine

Okay! PM me.

Avatar of MGleason

How did you handle the "I thought of a move that is now illegal"?  Was it an instant loss, or were you allowed to then try another move?

Avatar of MGleason

I actually kind of like my idea of listing five candidate moves, and the first legal one is chosen; if none are legal, you lose.

Avatar of condude2

I PMed Robert my opening moves as either colour (Only one, since it's the first move).

Anyone want to take up the other side?

Avatar of Robert_New_Alekhine

You have to premove 5 moves at a time.

Avatar of Robert_New_Alekhine
MGleason wrote:

How did you handle the "I thought of a move that is now illegal"?  Was it an instant loss, or were you allowed to then try another move?

Instant loss

Avatar of Robert_New_Alekhine
MGleason wrote:

5! moves?  Surely only one at a time is sufficient.  If you have to try to account for five possible moves, it'll quickly get unplayable in the middle-game.

Another option would be to send a list of five moves, in order of preference, and the first legal one is taken.  If none are legal, you lose.  That way, protecting pieces still sort-of works (you can use your first two moves to try to capture a couple of your own pieces that are under attack).  And your fifth move could be a simple king move or something that's almost sure to be legal.  That might be pretty interesting! 

It being random is kind of the point .But your idea is interesting...we can try it some time.

Avatar of condude2

I know, but my opening moves are guaranteed to go through.

Avatar of condude2

Oh wait, I thought I put 5 options for one move in. Nevermind, new moves incoming.