Value of Pieces for "Infinite Chess"

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hitthepin
HorribleTomato:
Pawn: 100
Knight: 300
Bishop: 400
Guard: 450
Hawk: 550
Rook: 600
Chancellor: 900
Queen: 1200
hitthepin
CaptainTugwash:
Pawn: 100
Knight: 300
Guard: 300
Bishop: 400
Rook: 600
Hawk: 700
Chancellor: 900
Queen: 1500
hitthepin
And my fourth try:
Pawn: 100
Knight: 300
Guard: 325
Bishop: 425
Rook: 625
Hawk: 650
Chancellor: 900
Queen: 1300
hitthepin
God, this is confusing.
HorribleTomato

Mm hmm. I’m still thinking about the chancellor... it’s actually a good peice happy.png

Hitthepin: NOOOOO!!!! How can I figure out ANYTHING!?!?

hitthepin
We so need to come up with standardized values.
HorribleTomato

Everyone agrees pawn is one, right? Knights/guards are three (about), bishops are about 4, rooks are about six, hawks are around 6 as well, Chancellors are 9-10, queens are 10-15.

captaintugwash

There are no standardised values. My values are based on the start, but the hawk is getting weaker as pawns are lost, the rook gets stronger, and the guard will be much stronger in a pawn endgame.

hitthepin
Exactly, that’s why we need to come up with some.
captaintugwash

I suppose it helps to have starting values. As the game develops, part of the skill is evaluating the dynamic values of pieces. It's the same in classic chess, but to a much lesser degree.

hitthepin
Mmmm true
HorribleTomato

Like that Bishop/hawk sacrifice you made, Tug?

vickalan
hitthepin wrote:
Everyone’s current values (as far as I can tell):
Vickalan
Pawn: 100
Knight: 300
Guard: 300
Bishop: 400
Rook: 600
Hawk:600   (now I think 700)
Chancellor: 900
Queen: 1000  (?)

This info was from my first post, but I've since upgraded my estimate for the hawk. I think it's more around 700 (based on HGMuller formula - see post #71).

I'm also not sure about the queen. My estimate may be low. The values shown by others might be closer. There's still a lot of unknowns about infinite chess.meh.png

HorribleTomato

I stand my ground. Hawk. is. Overrated.

HorribleTomato

If we take me versus tugwash, DOWN A HAWK (and much more material to come), I not only survived, but had very much kept him on thin ice. He tripped over his own material a few times as well. So... OVERRATED. 

hitthepin
It’s not THAT overrated man. I put it at 650 right now.
HorribleTomato

:l Well I think 7 (comparable to a rook and a pawn) is a bit too much.

hitthepin
I agree, which is why I lowered my original estimate.
HorribleTomato
After a rook activation it is usually much more powerful as a hawk...
hitthepin
The trick is activating it.