A Message to U.S.A.

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sss3006
sss3006 wrote:
neospooky wrote:

I'm married to a Colombian.  I've traveled extensively in South America, Europe, the Middle East, and I've visited Africa.  The self-hating American view that other people in the world all speak 2 languages and we don't is a complete falsehood.  I think this view grew out of Americans living abroad in American enclaves and meeting people that spoke English because they dealt with Americans on a daily basis.  It IS true that most business people who work globally speak English.

However, I ran into NO ONE in Bogota who spoke English other than my wife and one of her cousins.  In the Czech Republic, non-student Germans, Saudis... it was the same.  France has a significant number of English speakers.  I ran into 2 people in Kuwait that spoke English and I was there six months.  They came to the US for school.  I work with a lot of "unauthorized" immigrants where I work and, again, the vast majority don't speak English.

It's good to learn another language.  It's not good to tell an entire country they're sub-par while using unrepresentative examples.

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HELLO - ur assuming one of those has to be english. DONT BE ARROGANT.

2 languages do not necessarily include english. I know how to read, write speak 4 languages and can manage basic communication in 2 more. My father knew 9 languages. I dont know about other countries, but in India, knowing 3-4 languages is very common (actually 2-3 would be minimum most people would know now a days).


By the way, ru really spooky? :-)

dashkee94

Most members of the USA don't even have a command of English (just look at the current President)--do you want us to become proficient at butchering syntax in two different languages?  With most Americans, it's the grunt, snort, and point method--it doesn't need its own language to be rude.  But with our continuing series of invading soveriegn nations, more Americans will be exposed to foreign tongues and picking up second launguages.  Be careful what you wish for.

sss3006
dashkee94 wrote:

Most members of the USA don't even have a command of English (just look at the current President)--do you want us to become proficient at butchering syntax in two different languages?  With most Americans, it's the grunt, snort, and point method--it doesn't need its own language to be rude.  But with our continuing series of invading soveriegn nations, more Americans will be exposed to foreign tongues and picking up second launguages.  Be careful what you wish for.


:-) in the current economy - do u honestly think ur country can afford to invade any more in the near future?

Awick17

Americans:  If you want to learn spanish, stop being lazy and go get a book or take a class.  At the very least, just go to google translate or something.

I take Spanish in school, and it's kinda interesting to see the similarities between Spanish, English, and other languages.  If you think about it enough, you can translate a bunch of words.

It's also not true that most Americans dont speak another language.  Sure, a lot don't, but there are more who do.  Many professions work with citizens from other countries every day.  Also in America, the new generation is going to be very fluent, as more and more schools are requiring other languages.  I know some kids who had to take a mandatory foreign language class at age 10.

Also, remember that English is not spoken just in America.  The British colonized the U.S., so they speak it as well, along with Australia, Canada, Ireland, and others.

In conclusion, it's nice of some of you to try to help others, but if they really want to learn Spanish or any other language, they can just look it up.

JoishiBoido

Uh - it's not just America, fyi.  Literacy is going to steadily decline across the whole world as teens read less, think less, watch more TV, and spend more time writing text messages on their cell phones than actually TALKING to others.  Let's also not forget that text messages on cell phones don't exactly promote proper grammar and punctuation.

 

I also don't see why many Americans who can only speak English (which, btw, every student is required to take at least 1 year of a foreign language) is such a "problem" when there are also MANY Americans (and many people who are living in America who aren't American) who can only speak Spanish, Russian, or some other language.

Needsmorenerds

I think it is very serious..... America's average IQ since 1997 has gone down 39.16% (2007)....

I'm not saying that we're stupid, just some forget there education

Americans are stupid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eh9ctq81x4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0j59fNcf_E&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmD0V9NnWfw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuKMtLOKG8k&feature=related (2:04)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XkgOdb8tdA&feature=related

sss3006
JoishiBoido wrote:

Uh - it's not just America, fyi.  Literacy is going to steadily decline across the whole world as teens read less, think less, watch more TV, and spend more time writing text messages on their cell phones than actually TALKING to others.  Let's also not forget that text messages on cell phones don't exactly promote proper grammar and punctuation.

 

I also don't see why many Americans who can only speak English (which, btw, every student is required to take at least 1 year of a foreign language) is such a "problem" when there are also MANY Americans (and many people who are living in America who aren't American) who can only speak Spanish, Russian, or some other language.


Dont know whether using only 1 language is good or not. But american understanding of other countries and other cultures as well a other peoples' point of view definitely seems to be bad  -at least from outside it seems so.

JoishiBoido
sss3006 wrote:
JoishiBoido wrote:

Uh - it's not just America, fyi.  Literacy is going to steadily decline across the whole world as teens read less, think less, watch more TV, and spend more time writing text messages on their cell phones than actually TALKING to others.  Let's also not forget that text messages on cell phones don't exactly promote proper grammar and punctuation.

 

I also don't see why many Americans who can only speak English (which, btw, every student is required to take at least 1 year of a foreign language) is such a "problem" when there are also MANY Americans (and many people who are living in America who aren't American) who can only speak Spanish, Russian, or some other language.


Dont know whether using only 1 language is good or not. But american understanding of other countries and other cultures as well a other peoples' point of view definitely seems to be bad  -at least from outside it seems so.


The mere existence of this thread is evidence that the exact same problem exists in other countries as well.  (they clearly don't understand the U.S.)

However - other countries don't usually SEE it that way because they are forced to have a much closer interaction with other countries than the U.S. does.  Many U.S. States are the same size as many other COUNTRIES.  Look at Europe, for example.  In a (relatively) small amount of land you have about 35 countries .. while the U.S. only has Canada and Mexico.  Sure, people who live in Europe probably understand better what's going on with their neighbors - but that doesn't mean they're "more enlightened" about what's going on in the USA.

Needsmorenerds
dan_in_la wrote:

I would like to see some empirical evidence to support the hypothesis that "most Americans do not speak a foreign language." I think it is a false.  Where I live in Los Angeles, I think the majority speak English and either Spanish, Korean, Armenian, Farsi, Hebrew, Chinese, Russian, or one of another 200 languages. This may be the most heterogenious population in the world. Personally, me hablo un poquito espanol.  Me espousa habla, espanol, francois, russian, portuguese, italian.


Yes, people do learn new languages; I believe as of this year that 58% of the world speak 2 or more languages. Especially for the Coast, for immigrants come there rather to central U.S....

Unfortunately, most people don't speak both languages on the wide world web. Cry

sigmundsg

In Slovenian:

He= on

She= ona

you= ti

I= jaz

we = mi

How = kako

Why = zakaj

who = kdo

Which = kateri

sigmundsg

Continuation:

Hi- živijo

Bye- adijo

Boy- fant

Girl- punca/dekle

chess- šah

friend - prijatelj

dvwork

I teach language arts, diplomacy and history to twelve through 17 year olds in Arizona.  One reason that many Americans do not learn another language is that it does not become a need for them, as they rarely travel anywhere whereit becomes a necessity.  Of course, there is little consolation in this or the fact that english is one of the most complex and self-contradictory languages in the world to master.  Why else would someone work to earn a Doctorate in English.  I do not pretend to be the most educated person, so if anyone knows of a Spaniard who bothered getting a PHD in Spanish, or a Turk with a Degree in Turkish, let me know.  Until then I suppose Americans in general will probably continue wasting all of their time in public schooling trying to learn their own language, which they will then continue to misuse and confuse.

I am also curious if there is a significant difference between multi-lingual Brits and multi-lingual Americans, percentage wise.  Again, if there is, one likely reason is the more international need for someone in the United Kingdom.

IrishMike

Please practice your english language skills before you lash out at us. I personally can speak 2 languages. I know some US Americans who can speak more than one language.

dvwork
Yankeesbest wrote:

I think it is very serious..... America's average IQ since 1997 has gone down 39.16% (2007)....

I'm not saying that we're stupid, just some forget there education

Americans are stupid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eh9ctq81x4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0j59fNcf_E&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmD0V9NnWfw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuKMtLOKG8k&feature=related (2:04)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XkgOdb8tdA&feature=related


 HAHAHA.  I won't argue the general drop of IQ worldwide, since I agree.  However those with actual intelligence already know the fallicy of IQ testing.  Anything over 160 is pretty much an exageration and inacurate; everything between 110 and 160 has an error of 10 to 15; and anything below that does't have much chance of even caring (that last part's more joke than truth).  50-60 years ago IQ tests were only administered in English (the Quen's version) so English speakers were going to score highest (yes, this was on purpose)  and generally the wealthier you were the more exposure you had to things that would be tested.  This is no longer the case (fortunately) but there is still ambiguity to the whole system.

neospooky
sss3006 wrote: HELLO - ur assuming one of those has to be english. DONT BE ARROGANT.

2 languages do not necessarily include english. I know how to read, write speak 4 languages and can manage basic communication in 2 more. My father knew 9 languages. I dont know about other countries, but in India, knowing 3-4 languages is very common (actually 2-3 would be minimum most people would know now a days).


Actually, YOU'RE assuming I'm arrogant and not simply speaking about English knowledge of people I've encountered.  Perhaps subtext isn't your forte.  Or perhaps you're simply another bigot who thinks they know what every American is because you participate in the internet hate-a-thon.  Pretty quick to jump to arrogance as an answer.  I don't know what the truth is, though, so I'll refrain from labeling you outright - like you did.

To be clearer for those standing ready with their 'bash ugly American clubs':

The nations I went to DON'T BORDER English speaking countries - so WHY would they know English?!  By the same token, why would someone living in Iowa rush out to learn Spanish, Russian, or Farsi?

You said it well yourself when describing what it's like in India.  Indians don't go out and learn 3 different languages because they're enlightened, altruistic individuals simply because they're Indian citizens - they're brought up in an environment where they need to speak 3 languages SO THEY DO.  Personally, I didn't need to, I just enjoyed learning Spanish and German.  I can also ask for things in Greek that will get me slapped.  But I don't expect someone to know extra languages just because I do.  And I don't think less of people for not knowing them.  It's just ANOTHER form of arrogance to believe that.

If people are wondering why most American's don't speak additional languages, it's because they have no need to.  I take issue with people who try to paint other countries as better because they speak extra languages.  If they DO, then the likely NEED TO.  It's not a matter of having some sort of exemplary culture, it's a matter of need.

davejitsu

Americans totally self- obessed! You are kidding arent you?  We have more countries here than anywhere.  In fact right here in N.Y we have people from all over the world.  Even other Planets.  I have to agree with monroe.

Astrocloud

I find that most anti-Americanism is deeply rooted in nationalism. As far as I'm concerned you may as well just root for your local sports team -it makes as much sense.

CountArach
MsCloyescapade wrote:

gentlewoman?!


Gentleperson?

davejitsu
sss3006 wrote:
dashkee94 wrote:

Most members of the USA don't even have a command of English (just look at the current President)--do you want us to become proficient at butchering syntax in two different languages? With most Americans, it's the grunt, snort, and point method--it doesn't need its own language to be rude. But with our continuing series of invading soveriegn nations, more Americans will be exposed to foreign tongues and picking up second launguages. Be careful what you wish for.


:-) in the current economy - do u honestly think ur country can afford to invade any more in the near future?   We can just borrow from you


willisl0

I think latin women are the hottest women around.... do my dreams of spanish women taking advantage of me count!!!

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