Ban The London System

It is possible to create some "London Haters" club and play there anything except London

If you dislike the London, you can play the Englund Gambit mess up the London system from the start. Just know that the higher the rating range of your opponent the greater the chance they'll know the line and if someone knows the line all the way through, black is much worse.

Don't play it against master players since they'll have the whole line memorized. Against lower rated players you might win a free bishop(they might even premove into your pawn) or you might win the game in under 8 moves.

But whining about the London system is childish and calling for it's ban shows you don't know how to play chess. Your opponent can play whatever system they want and it is up to you to refute it.

If you have a problem, learn the Old Benoni, that easy.

no... who plays like this? Your younger brother?

Who plays like what? Playing gambits? According to the computer every gambit is bad. Practically speaking they work against humans. I don't need to be told how to play by a player 400 points lower than me and at the level of my 8 year old son.

The stafford gambit has wrecked even grandmasters but it is just as dubious against someone who has memorized the line against it.

The point of my post was that if you REALLY don't want to play against the London you can gambit it and stop it from starting. London players are system players and get rattled easily when the system is thrown out of the window.

I then added a warning to my post, because the higher ranked you go, the more likely those players have seen this situation before and have memorized the line that refutes it. Most people in the 1500 range don't know how to properly refute the Englund gambit. Some of them know SOME of the line, but if you keep playing best moves they eventually get to a point where they don't know how to continue the line.

It's like the Fried Liver. The best line is Knight to a5. But the Traxler and the Fritz variation destroy many people. But even if the person knows that a5 is the best, the line doesn't end at a5 it keeps going and with best moves by both sides gets to an equal position. But how many people know the whole line without messing up?

The old Benoni that you recommended it also a dubious gambit and is +.06 for white when white pushed the d pawn past and locks him there with Nc3. Thus locking down the position no different than if you had been playing against the London.

The London is one of the few openings where I have +50% score with Black. Spend 30 minutes finding a solid line against it, and it will become one of your favourite openings with Black.

She wouldn't have a clue how to start the game without the London.

The computer also says playing the Englund Gambit is dumb and for 300 rated kids like you, like bro I'm sorry you don't know your theory, don't rub it in that you're so dumb.

"The old Benoni that you recommended it also a dubious gambit and is +.06 for white when white pushed the d pawn past and locks him there with Nc3. Thus locking down the position no different than if you had been playing against the London."

it's not a gambit lmao

it's a hyperaggressive opening that 2000s don't even know

and your stupid Englund has +1.6 for white, if they know what they're doing

LMAO

trying to ban an opening is 100% 100 elo activities.

Maybe when you reach puberty you'll grow up and learn how to read. I am 400 points higher rated than you. I know the entire theory of the Englund and I included that white would be better if they knew what they are doing. If you learned how to read and comprehend you'd know it's being recommended for beginner level chess... like what you play.

If you put out an undefended pawn then it is a gambit. How would you know what 2000's know or don't know you are 1100 rapid. I mentioned in my post that the englund puts white ahead if they know what they're doing. You failed to mention that old benoni is also bad if they know what they're doing. The stafford gambit that many grandmaster's have fallen for is also +1.5 for white out of the box if they know what they're doing. People are not computers.

The difference is that you went on a childish rant and ad hominem attack over an opening thinking that you're a better player than you are.

I don't have a problem with you recommending the old benoni, it does the same thing for the op that the Englund does. It throws the London player off of his game. Stop being a keyboard warrior and have nap.

An opening that some consider boring generates so much passion! I love the London, but then again, I like trying to learn positional chess.

I don't understand the dislike of the London - it's basically a Slav a tempo up, and the Slav is one of the most dynamic openings around for Black.

you cant ban any opening from chess because its a board game

A player can be very aggressive with it, it doesnt have to be boring.

No fan of the London system here, but the idea of banning an opening, because I don't like to see it, is pretty lame. If you don't like something, learn how to play against it. learn any system of your own. I'd suggest that the opening isn't boring, you are.