Chess.com rating and cheating

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nocnygracz
Hi. I have a very different rating at chess.com when I play "10 minutes" games and when I play "5 minutes + 5 seconds" games (looking at chess.com rating I am much worse at the latter). In reality there is no difference in the length of these games (after 30 moves in "5 + 5" formula the game lasts 10 minutes) and I feel I'm not a worse player when we add 5 seconds after each move. In real life when I play over the real board I'm practically the same. I know many real people playing chess and they all have the same problem. I have even started to check my opponents (I do not think many of them would be cheating at this level) and I can see they are also much worse at "5 + 5" time control than than in slightly longer games when you often don't add any time after each move. Can you write me a possibile explanation to this problem? Of about 10 real chess players I asked neither had a better rating on chess.com when the time is added. Some of the players I asked are young people naturally playing good moves fast, some of them are quite old. The problem is the same for all of them. This is statistically next to impossible.  I only have one explanation to this and I would not like it to be the truth. Maybe you can write me something calming. I think there are a lot of cheaters playing chess online and probably they prefer playing games when you add the time after each move. Managing the time (when you play a game without adding the time after moves) makes playing more difficult than just repeating computer moves. You do not have to be very clever to do the latter, you just repeat what computer suggests. Managing the time is more difficult, especially if you are a child (and I suppose cheating is more popular among children and youth who have more time for doing stupid things than adults). Of course I do not think I have been playing many people who cheated against me (you would have to be extremely unintelligent to cheat and still have my ratings), I believe cheaters occupy much higher ratings and you just cannot have 50 percent of players with rating 2000. If cheaters go up with their ratings, normal players go down. We do not have to encounter each other on a daily basis. People like me probably play cheaters only at the beginning of their careers here. Looking at the situation from a different point of view this problem is probably not very problematic: we just should understand our ratings here. Thanks to them cheaters more often play against other cheaters (on higher levels) whereas more normal people stay below and are surprised why on 5+5 games they do so much worse than in 10 minutes' games.
nocnygracz

I can see what is here is impossible to read. This is not how I wrote it. I will try to send what I wrote in shorter posts.

nocnygracz

It looks like this forum does not know what a paragraph is...

nocnygracz

So from the beginning:

nocnygracz

Hi. I have a very different rating at chess.com when I play "10 minutes" games and when I play "5 minutes + 5 seconds" games (looking at chess.com rating I am much worse at the latter). In reality there is no difference in the length of these games (after 30 moves in "5 + 5" formula the game lasts 10 minutes) and I feel I'm not a worse player when we add 5 seconds after each move. In real life when I play over the real board I'm practically the same.

nocnygracz

I know many real people playing chess and they all have the same problem. I have even started to check my opponents (I do not think many of them would be cheating at this level) and I can see they are also much worse at "5 + 5" time control than than in slightly longer games when you often don't add any time after each move.

nocnygracz

Can you write me a possibile explanation to this problem? Of about 10 real chess players I asked neither had a better rating on chess.com when the time is added. Some of the players I asked are young people naturally playing good moves fast, some of them are quite old. The problem is the same for all of them. This is statistically next to impossible. 

nocnygracz

I only have one explanation to this and I would not like it to be the truth. Maybe you can write me something calming. I think there are a lot of cheaters playing chess online and probably they prefer playing games when you add the time after each move. Managing the time (when you play a game without adding the time after moves) makes playing more difficult than just repeating computer moves. You do not have to be very clever to do the latter, you just repeat what computer suggests. Managing the time is more difficult, especially if you are a child (and I suppose cheating is more popular among children and youth who have more time for doing stupid things than adults).

nocnygracz

Of course I do not think I have been playing many people who cheated against me (you would have to be extremely unintelligent to cheat and still have my ratings), I believe the cheaters occupy much higher ratings and you just cannot have 50 percent of players with rating 2000. If cheaters go up with their ratings, normal players go down. We do not have to encounter each other on a daily basis. People like me probably play cheaters only at the beginning of their careers here.

nocnygracz

Looking at the situation from a different point of view this problem is probably not very problematic: we just should understand our ratings here. Thanks to them cheaters more often play against other cheaters (on higher levels) whereas more normal people stay below and are surprised why on 5+5 games they do so much worse than in 10 minutes' games.

SnowDae

Rapid rating is inflated

nocnygracz

Why would that be? Is there any logic behind this statement? I would prefer to understand.

justbefair

94th percentile for blitz is not that dissimilar from 99th percentile for rapid.

5+5 is similar to 10 0 in total time usage but I think the percentile calculation for your 1437 blitz rating is lumped in with all the other blitz ratings while your 1776 10 0 rating is measured against all the other rapid ratings.

nocnygracz

I do not play any other blitz games than 5+5. I do not play any other rapid games than 10+0. My rating for 5+5 od still much, much lower than 10+0. I'm the same player and the total length of these games is practically the same.

NikEOMRN

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I cannot understand people who have 2100 rapid but have 1400 bullet ratings. I have at the same rating both 2000 bullet and rapid. Just starting out blitz 3 minutes I am looking forward how well I perform.

Reaskali
Torquaytinker wrote:
joselito_rivera4 wrote:

I cannot understand people who have 2100 rapid but have 1400 bullet ratings. I have at the same rating both 2000 bullet and rapid. Just starting out blitz 3 minutes I am looking forward how well I perform.

Why can't you understand that, it's obvious what the answer to that is, people are good chess players, but can't think quickly. Timed chess is a load of rubbish anyway, people winning on time when they are being thrashed makes chess look stupid. No one has the grace to resign when they are being slaughtered.

What I find interesting most about this place is how it's much easier to beat much, much higher rated players when you are playing unrated games, but when it comes to playing rated games almost impossible. Hmmm, something doesn't add up there at all.

My rapid is 1400 but my bullet is 1900 and blitz is 2100. Does that make up?

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Torquaytinker wrote:
joselito_rivera4 wrote:

I cannot understand people who have 2100 rapid but have 1400 bullet ratings. I have at the same rating both 2000 bullet and rapid. Just starting out blitz 3 minutes I am looking forward how well I perform.

Why can't you understand that, it's obvious what the answer to that is, people are good chess players, but can't think quickly. Timed chess is a load of rubbish anyway, people winning on time when they are being thrashed makes chess look stupid. No one has the grace to resign when they are being slaughtered.

What I find interesting most about this place is how it's much easier to beat much, much higher rated players when you are playing unrated games, but when it comes to playing rated games almost impossible. Hmmm, something doesn't add up there at all.

Nope, the same patterns. The same strategies. Same knowledge application. But only faster time control.

ThrillerFan

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