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costelus

You don't get the idea I_win_some:
(almost) nobody cares about lost points, everybody cares about lost time!!

TonicoTinoco
costelus wrote:

Wow, now I saw that a great cheater has biten the dust: victormpm. Indeed, one of the greatest cheaters on this site.Great, but ... I know he was cheating for at least one year. 


Better late than never! Cool

Doctorjosephthomas

Lost time is never found again.  But it is possible to return points.

KingsMove

This is fascinating...I have not been on much lately so I'm not up-to date with all the happenings. I read the list of banned players and I had the misfortune to play most of them, Anirac, BrainxPower, MirceaH just to name a few- now I understand why I was demolished. I don't consider myself a strong player, but compared to me I felt those guys were in a class of their own...

rockettorque

I had to laugh at ILearnedinjail getting banned for cheating.

Niven42
KingsMove wrote:

This is fascinating...I have not been on much lately so I'm not up-to date with all the happenings. I read the list of banned players and I had the misfortune to play most of them, Anirac, BrainxPower, MirceaH just to name a few- now I understand why I was demolished. I don't consider myself a strong player, but compared to me I felt those guys were in a class of their own...


 Being a strong player has nothing to do with it.  There's a whole psychology to playing with computer aid that is relatively easy to detect, since computer players tend to, "not make mistakes", rather than play strongly.  Almost a dead giveaway, since even GM's will make "mistakes" in every game, although they are not game-breaking errors.  We, as humans, consider those things to be "style", rather than inefficiency.

Niven42
LATITUDE wrote:

 

...And secondly Don Erik, can you really proof that somebody is cheating with a hundred porcent accuracy ? ...

Yes, they can.  Smile

drmr4vrmr

Since cheaters have easy means to create new names, banning names they create is but a nuisance to them. I suggest chess.com ban the IP address. That way, sooner is later the cheater would run out of computers he could use to cheat.

Niven42
drmr4vrmr wrote:

Since cheaters have easy means to create new names, banning names they create is but a nuisance to them. I suggest chess.com ban the IP address. That way, sooner is later the cheater would run out of computers he could use to cheat.


 Isn't practical for many reasons, Chess.com mobile and internet cafes being just 2 of them.

Heinrich_24

Do you know what is my first action, when  distrust comes up, whether an opponent is using engine help or not?

I go into his game archive and look at his first games here at chess. com- This is sometimes really "illuminating"

Doctorjosephthomas

In what way?  If they were strong to start with then they were experienced before they came here.  But I agree that if they started out as a yutz but 10-20 games later they play like a master, something strange is going on.

Heinrich_24

My second action is to control his live chess games. This is sometimes also illuminating

Doctorjosephthomas

How do you control them?

Heinrich_24

At their quality and at the rating.- Someone who has in onlinechess over 2200, but looses in livechess against < 1200 players, is suspicious in my view.

And someone who plays in onlinechess very deep chess and overlooks in live chess often simple tactics. Who can believe it?

And so on!

chess_pro5

ive been accused 5 rtimes cause my ratinbg went up 200in  5  days

mschosting
chess_pro5 wrote:

ive been accused 5 rtimes cause my ratinbg went up 200in  5  days


Then you are a big cheater! lol

Doctorjosephthomas

Up 200 here is not too surprising if you have played only a few games.  Mine went up more than that the first day with 2 wins!  The question is, what was your record before it jumped?

hic2482w
mschosting wrote:
Schachgeek wrote:
hic2482w wrote:
TheGrobe wrote:
hic2482w wrote:

Hi, I also have a question. If I use an Game Opening Explorer during my games, which I do, is that considered cheating? If it is, please close my account for cheating because those wins that I have I would feel I don't deserve.

Thanks,

hic2482w


It is allowed in turn based, but not in Live.  This is all outlined clearly in Erik's original post.


 Thanks.


What if some of my games I have played in the past are in Explorer? Or Chess Base? Or ECO?

Can I refer to them when playing on chess.com?

Just because a move is in data base or book, it was my idea originally so I can still use it. RIght? Right?


 Thats just dumb for me as far as I understand it using any help game explorer, openings book or chess engine is just cheating the same idea apply and it is you will get better results (or worst) then you would playing on your own with your own ideas.

I see no diference between choosing moves based on game explorer, or based in rybka infinite analisis then choosing 1 line that looks better from the tree, bottom line is you would not think on any of those lines by yourself, but due to previous game you see somewere you choose to play it, that just makes you another cheater, the problem here is there is no real way to prove someone is cheating in chess, so what if my moves match 99% of the moves fritz choose, maybe Im in a good mood or fritz is drunk  but coming to this post and sayin... mmm I'm actually not sure If I was cheating I just used outside help to make my moves for me was that wrong?? Obviously is wrong and the person is a nincompoop so as far as I'm concerned delete hic2482w rating

I didn't know if it was cheating or not! Since erik has said it was allowed, I will continue to play like this BUT I have clearly offered to close my account if that WAS considered cheating.

costelus

mauerblum: despite your cheating detection tips, I saw you played "GM" Anirac, who had an online rating of 2550 and a quick rating of 1100. How come this did not look suspicious to you?

hic2482: just stop paying attention to all the fanatics. Using books, databases or opening explorer has always been allowed and it is far from cheating. You simply get to practice some opening lines, to experiment some ideas of strong players.

panmumu: why do you exaggerate? You only played against 2 cheaters. I am sure that, if you had played half of the games here against cheaters, you would have left this site for a long time.

hic2482w

Thanks costelus.

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