CMNiemann banned for “Abuse”

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FIDEPhantom wrote:
magipi wrote:
FIDEPhantom wrote:

Or do you simply follow the crowd, losing all critical thinking as soon as you see a popular opinion?

It's funny that you talk about "critical thinking" just as you swallow a completely unhinged conspiracy theory.

You didn't even have read the original post.

I did. It's complete nonsense.

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Tempetown wrote:
varelse1 wrote:

It is very common for a for a banned accounts posts to vanish.

Even for entire threads they may have started to vanish.

Particularly if the perpetrators posts were the reason for them being banned.

That is true. It happens all the time to accounts that make chess.com and/or its moderators look foolish.

All accounts closed for abuse or FPV have their content hidden (i.e. their accounts are muted).

There are plenty of posts around the site critical of staff, moderators, and/or the site in general. Those are still around because the posting members didn't violate the site's TOS

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"Has he tried to coerce you into believing him using his "status"?..... No. I simply believed him for having that status,.....or appearing to have it.

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FIDEPhantom wrote:

I believe in what was said, even if it was labeled as misinformation. No one should be censored simply because moderators claim something is false, especially when they were directly involved in the post. To get to the truth, I will hire a private investigator to conduct an independent investigation into this matter. And by the way i don’t think he was called Hans Niemann, and Niemann is not a CM.

he had a hans niemann pfp (search up hans niemann and itll show up), if you looked at his bio he not only put "- Hans" after that little private account claim, but also linked the official hans niemann fide email. he was 100% impersonating hans niemann. and yeah he hadnt posted anyhting up until that post and the post had a ton of substance with no true backing; he used that post to try and become "president of the chess federation" or something like that as stated at the end of his post

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Let me guess Mr Phantom...... your previous account was deemed innappropriate for whatever reason, and your doing all this arguing because its unfair?

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I DO remember that,....he was asking for our votes to become President of some chess club. He mentioned he was here when the site started. I have no doubt that the REAL Mr Neimann was here since early 2006, but that guy yesterday was not the real Mr Neimann.

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FIDEPhantom wrote:
magipi wrote:
FIDEPhantom wrote:
magipi wrote:
FIDEPhantom wrote:

Or do you simply follow the crowd, losing all critical thinking as soon as you see a popular opinion?

It's funny that you talk about "critical thinking" just as you swallow a completely unhinged conspiracy theory.

You didn't even have read the original post.

I did. It's complete nonsense.

So, just because something seems completely nonsensical to someone, it should get banned?

Based on what I see, the guy was probably banned for spreading misinformation and/or insulting the moderator team and/or impersonating a chess celebrity.

What I would like to see is the same thing being done to the OP of this thread, who repeated the same misinformation and the same abuse.

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"Hans Niemann is not associated with fide, nor he has a fide email"..... surprise So we have a guy pretending to be associated with FIDE, who may or may not be associated with FIDE. shock Did we all get bamboozled by a drunk? angry

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" falsely accusing me of being banned is against the TOS". I didn't accuse you.....I suggested the possibility because others have done so in the past.

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FIDEPhantom wrote:
StandStarter wrote:
FIDEPhantom wrote:

I believe in what was said, even if it was labeled as misinformation. No one should be censored simply because moderators claim something is false, especially when they were directly involved in the post. To get to the truth, I will hire a private investigator to conduct an independent investigation into this matter. And by the way i don’t think he was called Hans Niemann, and Niemann is not a CM.

he had a hans niemann pfp (search up hans niemann and itll show up), if you looked at his bio he not only put "- Hans" after that little private account claim, but also linked the official hans niemann fide email. he was 100% impersonating hans niemann. and yeah he hadnt posted anyhting up until that post and the post had a ton of substance with no true backing; he used that post to try and become "president of the chess federation" or something like that as stated at the end of his post

Hans Niemann is not associated with fide, nor he has a fide email.

you're right, my bad. but that doesn't change the fact that the guy tried to make himself seem more credible using fide. thats my point in that little part of the text: he used a fide email and linked the fide contacts to make himself more believable as the real hans niemann

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Man,....you seem to be pretty RILED up about WHO that guy was yesterday. Can we safely assume it was YOU? And now you can stand on your soapbox and scream to the world that "free speech must be allowed". frustrated

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The're not accusations.....their assumptions based upon your actions.

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FIDEPhantom wrote:
StandStarter wrote:
FIDEPhantom wrote:
StandStarter wrote:
FIDEPhantom wrote:

I believe in what was said, even if it was labeled as misinformation. No one should be censored simply because moderators claim something is false, especially when they were directly involved in the post. To get to the truth, I will hire a private investigator to conduct an independent investigation into this matter. And by the way i don’t think he was called Hans Niemann, and Niemann is not a CM.

he had a hans niemann pfp (search up hans niemann and itll show up), if you looked at his bio he not only put "- Hans" after that little private account claim, but also linked the official hans niemann fide email. he was 100% impersonating hans niemann. and yeah he hadnt posted anyhting up until that post and the post had a ton of substance with no true backing; he used that post to try and become "president of the chess federation" or something like that as stated at the end of his post

Hans Niemann is not associated with fide, nor he has a fide email.

you're right, my bad. but that doesn't change the fact that the guy tried to make himself seem more credible using fide. thats my point in that little part of the text: he used a fide email and linked the fide contacts to make himself more believable as the real hans niemann

Have you personally checked if the email provided was real or not? Have you personally checked if he was trying to impersonate him? Because if he was then it’s fair, but do you think he should be banned just for that post? Because this seems to be the case.

didn't check the email cuz it was 11pm when i found the post, but he was 100% trying to impersonate him. you remember what his profile picture looked like? search up hans niemann and that picture will show up as one of the main results. he wasn't banned just because of the post; he was probably banned due to impersonating niemann, and also being kind of douchey in the reply section of his post. the post itself had a couple of not true stuff, and it was mainly used to gain notoriety rather than actually talk about the mods. + his account had been made 17 days ago and he claimed he was there since the beginning? seems suspect. i wouldnt trust the post if the poster in untrustworthy

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FIDEPhantom wrote:

Free speech must be allowed, even if the claims seem baseless.

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I will for sure get you banned after these pretty baseless accusations

Good job, flipping a full 180 in less than 10 minutes.

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Mr Phantom, I apologize if I upset you. I couldn't care less who you are. My only goal is to see if any of this is connected to verystern. PERIOD! Since I seem to have no more clues, I'm out. I mean literally, since I'm out of popcorn, I'm out of here. wink

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FIDEPhantom wrote:
magipi wrote:
FIDEPhantom wrote:

Free speech must be allowed, even if the claims seem baseless.

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I will for sure get you banned after these pretty baseless accusations

Good job, flipping a full 180 in less than 10 minutes.

The Terms of Service (TOS) state the rules clearly, and I will act based on the tools Chess.com provides to defend myself. His accusations will remain public, but that doesn’t mean he won’t face repercussions for what he said. Fairness works both ways.

Dude, you seem to be completely delusional about everything. The only one who is violating the TOS here is you, repeating the lies of a banned abuser.

Unfortunately, you don't have to fear any repercussions, as the moderator team is completely passive.

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FIDEPhantom wrote:
StandStarter wrote:
FIDEPhantom wrote:
StandStarter wrote:
FIDEPhantom wrote:
StandStarter wrote:
FIDEPhantom wrote:

I believe in what was said, even if it was labeled as misinformation. No one should be censored simply because moderators claim something is false, especially when they were directly involved in the post. To get to the truth, I will hire a private investigator to conduct an independent investigation into this matter. And by the way i don’t think he was called Hans Niemann, and Niemann is not a CM.

he had a hans niemann pfp (search up hans niemann and itll show up), if you looked at his bio he not only put "- Hans" after that little private account claim, but also linked the official hans niemann fide email. he was 100% impersonating hans niemann. and yeah he hadnt posted anyhting up until that post and the post had a ton of substance with no true backing; he used that post to try and become "president of the chess federation" or something like that as stated at the end of his post

Hans Niemann is not associated with fide, nor he has a fide email.

you're right, my bad. but that doesn't change the fact that the guy tried to make himself seem more credible using fide. thats my point in that little part of the text: he used a fide email and linked the fide contacts to make himself more believable as the real hans niemann

Have you personally checked if the email provided was real or not? Have you personally checked if he was trying to impersonate him? Because if he was then it’s fair, but do you think he should be banned just for that post? Because this seems to be the case.

didn't check the email cuz it was 11pm when i found the post, but he was 100% trying to impersonate him. you remember what his profile picture looked like? search up hans niemann and that picture will show up as one of the main results. he wasn't banned just because of the post; he was probably banned due to impersonating niemann, and also being kind of douchey in the reply section of his post. the post itself had a couple of not true stuff, and it was mainly used to gain notoriety rather than actually talk about the mods. + his account had been made 17 days ago and he claimed he was there since the beginning? seems suspect. i wouldnt trust the post if the poster in untrustworthy

If that’s the case, i agree with you. However, since the post was also closed, I believe that was the real reason. I’ve seen many people banned for "abuse" who still have their posts and replies up. I don’t think his post breached the terms of service. If you’re a reasonable person and not living in North Korea, you’d agree that a post deemed "false" by the accused shouldn’t be removed. Censorship like this undermines fairness and transparency.

might've been taken down due to the douchey stuff he said, but ive seen many instances where the account and its corresponding posts were deleted just to keep the peace. the dude was making accusations based on stuff that the mods could've easily addressed. in fact, they have addressed them here! it isnt censorship, they're just trying to keep a sense of peace.
also those accusations seemed mostly baseless, and i feel that the main goal of the poster was to get himself noticed, that is to say, he was seeking attention. that post was most likely made for these two reasons:
1. make himself seem more credible as the real hans niemann, as he said stuff like "im a respected member of the community" and "ive been here since the start". he didnt have to say all that to get his point across, and yet he did...
2. that little tidbit at the end about becoming the president of some club? that was most likely his main goal, rather than actually talking about the mods. what the hell does some club have to do with moderators not doing their job?

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I was not expecting to see drama here as well

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FIDEPhantom wrote:

What I’m saying is that if moderators are given the power to ban a simple post that points out inconsistencies—without anything out of the ordinary—then they can essentially do whatever they want to anyone. One day, it could be you. You should actually thank me for standing up for your rights too, sir. And by the way, falsely accusing me of being banned is against the TOS.

I can guarantee that doesn't happen. Staff are involved in the case of bans

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FIDEPhantom wrote:

...I’ve seen many people banned for "abuse" who still have their posts and replies up. ....

That doesn't happen unless it's requested to unmuted. That normally only happens temporarily in situations where the banned member was a club admin and there's a need to copy existing posts so clubs don't lose important data

Bans always mute

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