The OP had the right idea, but the wrong approach.
Don't dream becoming a GM
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The main reasons why people don't become masters is that one of these two factors are missing: a) Starting out at a very young age. b) Structured, continious work over years. I believe that most people with average intelligence can make it to at least 2300 if they started playing age 4 or 5 and practized every day for 3 hours.
Jan 31, 2024
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#25
brmk91 wrote:
It's funny i see people planning to study chess and dreaming of becoming GM..
One will have to tell you.. that everyone has an in-born ability, it's almost over once you hit your plateau.. you can only achieve average ratings and with any kind of hard study you can only become A class player max. maybe.. not a master..
eh.. its not even enough to born with it, you will still have to study to get it in your hands.. but without that ability.. dont even bother.
wake up and smell the coffee.. have fun and stop tilting and punching your pc..
i did my part for the community.. you are welcome
It shouldn't be impossible. I even think it shouldn't be that hard. Okay, it should be hard, but probably doable for a lot of people :-)
There's nothing wrong with dreaming.
If its a serious aim then you're probably setting yourself up for a lot of frustration.
Jenium wrote:
I believe that most people with average intelligence can make it to at least 2300 if they started playing age 4 or 5 and practized every day for 3 hours.
The prerequisite sounds even more improbable than the goal.
Jan 31, 2024
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#28
OP is right, you need some kind of prerequisite, be it a good memory, talent for pattern recognisition etc, and you have to start at a young age, the older you are when you pick up chess, the harder it gets to get to somewhat serious level, except when you excel at something that is important in chess, and that is mostly memory, see if you start at say 25 and you think yeah i'm going to make it strong, it doesnt work like that, cause you're are competing against people who started when they were 7-10 years old and had coaches already at that age, so by the age of 25 they've already decade of experience, playing tournmanets etc and they've played gazillion games, so you have no chance against them when you start out at 25 or so, thats the reality, experience tops everything, you can be studying chess for 8-10 hours a day, but when it comes to playing against people who have done it for 10+ years, you have no chance
Jan 31, 2024
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#29
The joy of playing chess goes beyond achieving high ratings or titles. Chess is a game that can be enjoyed at various skill levels, and the process of learning and improving can be fulfilling in itself.
Jan 31, 2024
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#30
brmk91 wrote:
NormalizeBongclouding wrote:
@brmk91, I love taking advice from a 1300 :0, but on a real note, that is completely incorrect. I started playing competitively as a 1000, and over 3–4 years, I gained over 1200 elo. My goal (reachable if I continue studying) is to reach 2400 before 18 yrs old.
you have a maximum rating in you, you wont see it till you get there. lets say it's 2200-2300 and you will stop there, your progress is an illusion, that was your set destination from the beginning.. which is called 'potential'
you said you reached there in a few years, that is nothing.. more than learning the game and getting some exprience.. you got there without real setbacks and difficulties. that was your normal and you didnt know it.
okay.. look around and see those IMs all around the world, they only need +100 elo to become a Grandmaster, they all stay there forever. Why? Talk to Levy, aka gothamchess.. ask why he just cant.. he is playing chess for living.. no other business.
ps: my rating has nothing to do with this, this is an observation.. which I've been doing more than 20 years.
There's more to becoming a GM than just that, also while your odds of becoming a GM are just barely above 0, it is possible. I seriously doubt I will become a GM tho
Jan 31, 2024
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#31
brmk91 wrote:
It's funny i see people planning to study chess and dreaming of becoming GM..
One will have to tell you.. that everyone has an in-born ability, it's almost over once you hit your plateau.. you can only achieve average ratings and with any kind of hard study you can only become A class player max. maybe.. not a master..
eh.. its not even enough to born with it, you will still have to study to get it in your hands.. but without that ability.. dont even bother.
wake up and smell the coffee.. have fun and stop tilting and punching your pc..
i did my part for the community.. you are welcome
You're 1321...
Jan 31, 2024
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#33
1300 rating detected.
Opinion ignored.
Downvote engaged.
But seriously, just because you can't commit to chess study doesn't mean everyone is as dumb/lazy as you.
What, exactly, is the point of this "warning" to people? If someone wishes to devote hours of their life every day to something they love, whether that be chess, fishing, skiing, mountain climbing, video games, dart throwing, juggling, whatever else you want to put here, with the goal of becoming the best they can possibly be or as good as someone they're trying to emulate, what is the harm in that?
People, even by your own logic, can't know whether they are capable of becoming a GM or not, so if someone who is, in fact, capable of that feat heeds your advice and gives up now and quits chess, you've officially done more harm than good for the chess community. If just ONE PERSON fails because you convinced them they can't succeed, you are what caused that failure.
The flip side is... what, exactly? What benefit does this warning do to those who truly will never reach GM status? Will they... stop playing chess? That is unlikely, and would be an awful outcome if it happened; see my previous point. Are you trying to save people's time? Suggest they do something more productive with their lives? Learn another skill? If so, why is that any of your business what aspirations someone else has? What's your goal here?
To be clear, I don't disagree in the slightest with the truth of what you're saying. I know fully well most people are simply incapable of becoming GM's. What's more, to add to the problems inherent in this PSA of yours, most people already know they are never going to become GM's. The people who don't know that are the ones who are young and driven enough to actually go for it (and who might actually make it), and those are also the people most likely to be scared off and give up. The most questionable aspect of your post is your need to discourage people from trying at all. Why?
hollywoodb1 wrote:
What, exactly, is the point of this "warning" to people? If someone wishes to devote hours of their life every day to something they love, whether that be chess, fishing, skiing, mountain climbing, video games, dart throwing, juggling, whatever else you want to put here, with the goal of becoming the best they can possibly be or as good as someone they're trying to emulate, what is the harm in that?
People, even by your own logic, can't know whether they are capable of becoming a GM or not, so if someone who is, in fact, capable of that feat heeds your advice and gives up now and quits chess, you've officially done more harm than good for the chess community. If just ONE PERSON fails because you convinced them they can't succeed, you are what caused that failure.
The flip side is... what, exactly? What benefit does this warning do to those who truly will never reach GM status? Will they... stop playing chess? That is unlikely, and would be an awful outcome if it happened; see my previous point. Are you trying to save people's time? Suggest they do something more productive with their lives? Learn another skill? If so, why is that any of your business what aspirations someone else has? What's your goal here?
To be clear, I don't disagree in the slightest with the truth of what you're saying. I know fully well most people are simply incapable of becoming GM's. What's more, to add to the problems inherent in this PSA of yours, most people already know they are never going to become GM's. The people who don't know that are the ones who are young and driven enough to actually go for it (and who might actually make it), and those are also the people most likely to be scared off and give up. The most questionable aspect of your post is your need to discourage people from trying at all. Why?
I'd rather be told a harsh truth than stress and annoy myself into an early grave trying to be a GM.
piedraven wrote:
hollywoodb1 wrote:
What, exactly, is the point of this "warning" to people? If someone wishes to devote hours of their life every day to something they love, whether that be chess, fishing, skiing, mountain climbing, video games, dart throwing, juggling, whatever else you want to put here, with the goal of becoming the best they can possibly be or as good as someone they're trying to emulate, what is the harm in that?
People, even by your own logic, can't know whether they are capable of becoming a GM or not, so if someone who is, in fact, capable of that feat heeds your advice and gives up now and quits chess, you've officially done more harm than good for the chess community. If just ONE PERSON fails because you convinced them they can't succeed, you are what caused that failure.
The flip side is... what, exactly? What benefit does this warning do to those who truly will never reach GM status? Will they... stop playing chess? That is unlikely, and would be an awful outcome if it happened; see my previous point. Are you trying to save people's time? Suggest they do something more productive with their lives? Learn another skill? If so, why is that any of your business what aspirations someone else has? What's your goal here?
To be clear, I don't disagree in the slightest with the truth of what you're saying. I know fully well most people are simply incapable of becoming GM's. What's more, to add to the problems inherent in this PSA of yours, most people already know they are never going to become GM's. The people who don't know that are the ones who are young and driven enough to actually go for it (and who might actually make it), and those are also the people most likely to be scared off and give up. The most questionable aspect of your post is your need to discourage people from trying at all. Why?
I'd rather be told a harsh truth than stress and annoy myself into an early grave trying to be a GM.
.... Ok? That didn't answer my question at all, but thank you for your input.
Jan 31, 2024
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#37
brmk91 wrote:
It's funny i see people planning to study chess and dreaming of becoming GM..
One will have to tell you.. that everyone has an in-born ability, it's almost over once you hit your plateau.. you can only achieve average ratings and with any kind of hard study you can only become A class player max. maybe.. not a master..
eh.. its not even enough to born with it, you will still have to study to get it in your hands.. but without that ability.. dont even bother.
wake up and smell the coffee.. have fun and stop tilting and punching your pc..
i did my part for the community.. you are welcome
people work hard
sawdof wrote:
Jenium wrote:
I believe that most people with average intelligence can make it to at least 2300 if they started playing age 4 or 5 and practized every day for 3 hours.
The prerequisite sounds even more improbable than the goal.
Sure. But that's how GMs become GMs. If you discover chess at age 25 and decide you'd like to become a GM, it is too late.
Jenium wrote:
sawdof wrote:
Jenium wrote:
I believe that most people with average intelligence can make it to at least 2300 if they started playing age 4 or 5 and practized every day for 3 hours.
The prerequisite sounds even more improbable than the goal.
Sure. But that's how GMs become GMs. If you discover chess at age 25 and decide you'd like to become a GM, it is too late.
Not disagreeing, just comparing
Why not ?