erik, we are frustrated

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i dnot onderstend bot girI 

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if any of u notic i spell girl with an "I" or upercas i not L 

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lel

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i so dam lazy 

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i cant even type 

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batgirl wrote:
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Which is arbitrary.

That's the rub. If several members think a muted-but-gone members' posts have value and petition the account unmuted (which is the original discussion), then so what? The comments have value for them and potentially for others. Who am I to say they're wrong?

Sure.

I think we have to start with standards.

For example: "no illegal content" is a very reasonable standard for a business (for obvious reasons).

But what else? I think you can't answer that without a clear vision for what you want the community to be... I think for someone like @erik, the community isn't anyone on the forum. It's people on social media, and youtube. It's twitch streamers and their audience. It's Hikaru getting ____ number of retweets.

So there is no clear vision for the forums... so the result is the forums succumb to the lowest common denominator... the children. Pages of inane one word posts.

So you're asking who are you (or I?) to say the current state of things is wrong? Well, apparently we're as good as anyone, considering the CEO couldn't care less beyond avoiding lawsuits regarding e.g. topics that pirate .pdf chess books (which I've seen shut down in the past... probably you have too).

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duntcare wrote:

i cant even type 

Then don't.  Please.  Thank you. 

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and erik, i am dead ; - ;

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autobunny wrote:
duntcare wrote:

i cant even type 

Then don't.  Please.  Thank you. 

If bunni type me typ cuz me hooman 

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batgirl wrote:
llama wrote:
batgirl wrote:
llama wrote:

Which is arbitrary.

That's the rub. If several members think a muted-but-gone members' posts have value and petition the account unmuted (which is the original discussion), then so what? The comments have value for them and potentially for others. Who am I to say they're wrong?

So "If a community gangster was muted,  he can be revived with peititon by his gangster buddies" happy.png 

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GANSTAA DANCE

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OOOH DROP IT

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dont mind me, im hyper 

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llama wrote:
batgirl wrote:
llama wrote:
batgirl wrote:
llama wrote:

Which is arbitrary.

That's the rub. If several members think a muted-but-gone members' posts have value and petition the account unmuted (which is the original discussion), then so what? The comments have value for them and potentially for others. Who am I to say they're wrong?

Sure.

I think we have to start with standards.

For example: "no illegal content" is a very reasonable standard for a business (for obvious reasons).

But what else? I think you can't answer that without a clear vision for what you want the community to be... I think for someone like @erik, the community isn't anyone on the forum. It's people on social media, and youtube. It's twitch streamers and their audience. It's Hikaru getting ____ number of retweets.

So there is no clear vision for the forums... so the result is the forums succumb to the lowest common denominator... the children. Pages of inane one word posts. Who are you (or I?) to say the current state of things is wrong? Well, apparently we're as good as anyone, considering the CEO couldn't care less beyond avoiding lawsuits regarding e.g. topics that pirate .pdf chess books (which I've seen shut down in the past... probably you have too).

Well, I can't say I disagree with the thrust of your comments.  I have my own opinions (which I'll keep to myself).  As a mod, I do make subjective decisions, or value judgments, but based on objective criteria (which itself is usually open to some interpretation). But dealing with the issue of muted members who leave-- like Erik, I don't see a better solution.  The forums are a conundrum in many ways and there seems no good way through or around it. 

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So make me king and what happens?

A mandate against "low effort posts."

And I'd give mods leeway to exercise their judgement... partly because in all honesty chess.com has a very good mod team. I don't like the forums, but their mods are quite good, and I really mean that.

 

But anyway, would the result of my mandate be good? Or would it be a disaster? Probably a little of both... which is the result anytime you make an effort to accomplish something, so I can live with that. It would be a disaster for the majority of traffic i.e. the death of most off topic forums... but what would we gain in exchange? Maybe something amazing... maybe a widely known and respected community centered around chess.

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GANSTA DANCEEEEEE

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GANSTA DANCE OUHHH 

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drmrboss wrote:
batgirl wrote:
llama wrote:
batgirl wrote:
llama wrote:

Which is arbitrary.

That's the rub. If several members think a muted-but-gone members' posts have value and petition the account unmuted (which is the original discussion), then so what? The comments have value for them and potentially for others. Who am I to say they're wrong?

So "If a community gangster was muted,  he can be revived with peititon by his gangster buddies"  

Sure. They can petition, but if you read what Erik wrote, their petition will be evaluated. It's doubtful such a person's account would be revived.

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RUSSIAN

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batgirl wrote:
llama wrote:
batgirl wrote:
llama wrote:
batgirl wrote:
llama wrote:

Which is arbitrary.

That's the rub. If several members think a muted-but-gone members' posts have value and petition the account unmuted (which is the original discussion), then so what? The comments have value for them and potentially for others. Who am I to say they're wrong?

Sure.

I think we have to start with standards.

For example: "no illegal content" is a very reasonable standard for a business (for obvious reasons).

But what else? I think you can't answer that without a clear vision for what you want the community to be... I think for someone like @erik, the community isn't anyone on the forum. It's people on social media, and youtube. It's twitch streamers and their audience. It's Hikaru getting ____ number of retweets.

So there is no clear vision for the forums... so the result is the forums succumb to the lowest common denominator... the children. Pages of inane one word posts. Who are you (or I?) to say the current state of things is wrong? Well, apparently we're as good as anyone, considering the CEO couldn't care less beyond avoiding lawsuits regarding e.g. topics that pirate .pdf chess books (which I've seen shut down in the past... probably you have too).

Well, I can't say I disagree with the thrust of your comments.  I have my own opinions (which I'll keep to myself).  As a mod, I do make subjective decisions, or value judgments, but based on objective criteria (which itself is usually open to some interpretation). But dealing with the issue of muted members who leave-- like Erik, I don't see a better solution.  The forums are a conundrum in many ways and there seems no good way through or around it. 

I like @alczervik but I feel like this particular complaint (i.e. return GOP and other's posts) is too niche, and your suggestion of making a formal complaint, resulting in (possibly) a mod simply unmuting his closed account, is very reasonable.

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