Evolution or not?

Raspberry_Yoghurt wrote:

einstein99 wrote:

A computer program that converts into machine code and builds airplane parts by robots is a simple process? Are you just guessing Razz? 😕

Compared with a cell, yes. I remember a scientist estimated one single cell to be more complex than an entire city.

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So if a cell is more complex than an entire city, which one would be easier to form by random processes? 😕

The cell, because it can replicate with mutations and that is the only known way such complexity can arise without "designers". Its a result of a very long lineage of individual cellos/organisms. A city cannot replicate and doesnt have "ancestors".

Guess it is a popular thing in the USA then. Never heard about it before.

Abiogenesis doesnt interest me really. I have a book about it I think i will throw out to make space because it has been gathering dust for five years :) When they crack it, i think it will just be a boring list of which molecule came before which and so on.

It seems to me to be more a "thing" for creationists? Because you use this useless strategy of talking about the many unsolved questions in science like it is something new, and this is an unsolved one.

A more interesting unsolved problem is sleep - the scientists have no idea what it is for, just know it is extremely important biologically. They have a lot of information, but it doesnt make sense really.

Doesnt make sense from a design perspective either. Why would a designer not design us to the stuff he likes us to do all the time instead of just having to lie down a lot? No designer in his right mind would design a machine that was meant to be inactive 1/3 of the time for no reason :)

Raspberry_Yoghurt wrote:

einstein99 wrote:

Raspberry_Yoghurt wrote:

einstein99 wrote:

A computer program that converts into machine code and builds airplane parts by robots is a simple process? Are you just guessing Razz? 😕

Compared with a cell, yes. I remember a scientist estimated one single cell to be more complex than an entire city.

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So if a cell is more complex than an entire city, which one would be easier to form by random processes? 😕

The cell, because it can replicate with mutations and that is the only known way such complexity can arise without "designers". Its a result of a very long lineage of individual cellos/organisms. A city cannot replicate and doesnt have "ancestors".

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You're forgetting something Razz. If there's no cell in the first place, then how does it mutate and rreplicate? 😕

Raspberry_Yoghurt wrote:

A more interesting unsolved problem is sleep - the scientists have no idea what it is for, just know it is extremely important biologically. They have a lot of information, but it doesnt make sense really.

Doesnt make sense from a design perspective either. Why would a designer not design us to the stuff he likes us to do all the time instead of just having to lie down a lot? No designer in his right mind would design a machine that was meant to be inactive 1/3 of the time for no reason :)

Also, memories are weird. I have so many. It's hard to believe they are stored in this gelatinous squishy , grayish thing they call the brain. I mean, I have whole WORLDS in my head.

They're stored in your mind and not your brain 314.

Einstein 99 you dualist, you. :)

Probably our spirit too. 😉

Why do we forget things then? Does the spirit run out of space?

It's a glitch in the Matrix.

Yeah memory is weird also.

Music is strange also, and I always wondered why the creationists didnt use music instead. For me it's really hard to imagine any reason evolution would have made us like music. Evolution should make us kill stuff to eat and make babies and take care of them and such, not sitting around listening to noise for no reason whatsoever. And why would we prefer listening to rhytms than random noise? Cant even imagine why an organism that likes to listen to rhytms is better at surviving than an organism that doesnt care about it, from a biological perspective music looks like an unnecessary distraction.

On the other hand music is universal so it must be hardwired in the brain. As far as I know, the knowledge of why the genes make a brain that likes music is total zero.

So there you go Einsten, some ammo for you :)

The Matrix of the Spirit!

We don't walk perfectly in the spirit, that is why we forget.

Not. It has been proved that is is false. Here are a couple articles proving it http://humansarefree.com/2013/12/9-scienctific-facts-prove-theory-of.html?m=0 http://www.remnantofgod.org/creation.htm

We can state some idea and phenomena to support hypothetically the biology phenomena.

1. Brown phenomena in physics.We could guess this phenomena is cause of random mutation.It is amazing where did this phenomena come from.Even this phenomena was named as an exception of thermodynamic law. 
2. Aristotle have guessed that some low level entity have its own consciousness.Also so many tribes believe about non aliving thing have the spirit.

Please refrain from any references to metaphysical existants. Thanks for your cooperation.

Raspberry_Yoghurt wrote:

Masamune314 wrote:

Raspberry_Yoghurt wrote:

A more interesting unsolved problem is sleep - the scientists have no idea what it is for, just know it is extremely important biologically. They have a lot of information, but it doesnt make sense really.

Doesnt make sense from a design perspective either. Why would a designer not design us to the stuff he likes us to do all the time instead of just having to lie down a lot? No designer in his right mind would design a machine that was meant to be inactive 1/3 of the time for no reason :)

Also, memories are weird. I have so many. It's hard to believe they are stored in this gelatinous squishy , grayish thing they call the brain. I mean, I have whole WORLDS in my head.

Yeah memory is weird also.

Music is strange also, and I always wondered why the creationists didnt use music instead. For me it's really hard to imagine any reason evolution would have made us like music. Evolution should make us kill stuff to eat and make babies and take care of them and such, not sitting around listening to noise for no reason whatsoever. And why would we prefer listening to rhytms than random noise? Cant even imagine why an organism that likes to listen to rhytms is better at surviving than an organism that doesnt care about it, from a biological perspective music looks like an unnecessary distraction.

On the other hand music is universal so it must be hardwired in the brain. As far as I know, the knowledge of why the genes make a brain that likes music is total zero.

So there you go Einsten, some ammo for you :)

Rythmic = mating call? Like birds? Idk.

Well, I guess it's as good as the lightning theory, ya know the primordial soup idea, from goo to zoo to you. 😀

Your ions are an interesting idea though. During embryogenesis potassium pumps produce endogenous electric fields which in turn produce various developing organismal axis and ion channels which then direct cells to their correct locations for embryo developement. Without these electric fields and ion channels it has been shown that the animal doesn't develope correctly.

As far as your polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon theory I'll probably wait for the book to come out on it. 😊