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trysts
cortjstr wrote:

LOL...well said...

but in your haste to be cute...you misread my post...I said the power of this country is NOT THE GOVERNMENT...but that's ok....clearly I should have included pictures...perhaps in my next post I'll use crayon and glitter to help you better understand...


Sure, the same people who voted for the government officials in office. The same people who sign up for the military machine that murders millions in other countries. Sorry, but if you want pictures of that, I won't oblige...

trysts
--a wrote:
trysts wrote:
PrawnEatsPrawn wrote:
--a wrote:

G.G. Allin, ESAD.


Wow! never heard of the guy before but his wiki entry makes an interesting read.


I actually saw a documentary about that "person". Go onstage in front of a bunch of "people". Take off your clothes and poop. Rub the poop all over yourself. Yell into the microphone until someone comes onstage to fight you. Fight them. Repeat.

Damned interesting isn't it?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9AvIpoV0ps  This one?


Yep, that's it.

cortjstr
trysts wrote:
cortjstr wrote:

LOL...well said...

but in your haste to be cute...you misread my post...I said the power of this country is NOT THE GOVERNMENT...but that's ok....clearly I should have included pictures...perhaps in my next post I'll use crayon and glitter to help you better understand...


Sure, the same people who voted for the government officials in office. The same people who sign up the the military machine that murders millions in other countries. Sorry, but if you want pictures of that, I won't oblige...


I just read you're profile...have you ever been to another country?  You claim to study philosophy but you must have failed your epistomology class.  Let me guess, you probably ready Mills' "On Liberty" and it changed your life, right?  Clearly, given your comments in your profile a little more studying is in order...perhaps you should look at Descartes and Hume.  As it sounds you clearly didn't make it past Hobbes....do you even know the relevence of that comment?

 

And by the way of the many rights you have one of them is the right to a passport...

trysts
cortjstr wrote:
trysts wrote:
cortjstr wrote:

LOL...well said...

but in your haste to be cute...you misread my post...I said the power of this country is NOT THE GOVERNMENT...but that's ok....clearly I should have included pictures...perhaps in my next post I'll use crayon and glitter to help you better understand...


Sure, the same people who voted for the government officials in office. The same people who sign up the the military machine that murders millions in other countries. Sorry, but if you want pictures of that, I won't oblige...


I just read you're profile...have you ever been to another country?  You claim to study philosophy but you must have failed your epistomology class.  Let me guess, you probably ready Mills' "On Liberty" and it changed your life, right?  Clearly, given your comments in your profile a little more studying is in order...perhaps you should look at Descartes and Hume.  As it sounds you clearly didn't make it past Hobbes....do you even know the relevence of that comment?

 

And by the way of the many rights you have one of them is the right to a passport...


You said, "The power of this country is not the government". Clearly, you're living in this fantasy that the government of this country conducts it's wars without the help of the people of this country.

cortjstr

Tryst this is growing tiresome...if that's your best respnonse to my previous post then this discourse has come to it's conclusion.  And really...I implore you, if you're going to mention philosophy in your profile...read a book...you're an embarrasment to anyone who actually does study philosophy.

trysts
cortjstr wrote:

Tryst this is growing tiresome...if that's your best respnonse to my previous post then this discourse has come to it's conclusion.  And really...I implore you, if you're going to mention philosophy in your profile...read a book...you're an embarrasment to anyone who actually does study philosophy.


I figured you would give up once you realized I can read.

PrawnEatsPrawn
trysts wrote:
PrawnEatsPrawn wrote:
--a wrote:

G.G. Allin, ESAD.


Wow! never heard of the guy before but his wiki entry makes an interesting read.


I actually saw a documentary about that "person". Go onstage in front of a bunch of "people". Take off your clothes and poop. Rub the poop all over yourself. Yell into the microphone until someone comes onstage to fight you. Fight them. Repeat.

Damned interesting isn't it?


Let me put this gently: I don't need or seek your approval, for what I find interesting.

trysts
PrawnEatsPrawn wrote:
trysts wrote:
PrawnEatsPrawn wrote:
--a wrote:

G.G. Allin, ESAD.


Wow! never heard of the guy before but his wiki entry makes an interesting read.


I actually saw a documentary about that "person". Go onstage in front of a bunch of "people". Take off your clothes and poop. Rub the poop all over yourself. Yell into the microphone until someone comes onstage to fight you. Fight them. Repeat.

Damned interesting isn't it?


Let me put this gently: I don't need or seek your approval, for what I find interesting.


Hilarious! You're like offendedLaughing

Here you go:

http://s2.hubimg.com/u/4480325_f260.jpg

goldendog

Someone better clean that up, 'cause I'm not.

PrawnEatsPrawn

Nope, not offended, merely reminding you of the unimportance of your opinion. Kiss

 

Here you go:

 

 

bigpoison
PrawnEatsPrawn wrote:
trysts wrote:
PrawnEatsPrawn wrote:
--a wrote:

G.G. Allin, ESAD.


Wow! never heard of the guy before but his wiki entry makes an interesting read.


I actually saw a documentary about that "person". Go onstage in front of a bunch of "people". Take off your clothes and poop. Rub the poop all over yourself. Yell into the microphone until someone comes onstage to fight you. Fight them. Repeat.

Damned interesting isn't it?


Let me put this gently: I don't need or seek your approval, for what I find interesting.


The new "kinder, gentler" Prawn.

How I miss the days of, "Piss off, ya' bother me."

trysts
PrawnEatsPrawn wrote:

Nope, not offended, merely reminding you of the unimportance of your opinion.

 

Here you go:

 

 


Boy, you're really upset about this! Okay, you win. Poop is soooo interestingLaughing

PrawnEatsPrawn

The old round and round trick. No thanks.

oinquarki

Whatever invisible force it is that makes people go nuts seems to be attracted not only to Fischer, but to the very mention of his name.

Gambitknight
cortjstr wrote:

dalmatinac--

If you go back in history (assuming you can read a book without pictures.)  You'll see that every unchallenged world power was driven by a single goal...domination of it's world...except for one....the United State of America.

And before you say that the USA isn't an unchallenged superpower consider the fact that there are enought nuclear warheads on a single trident submarine to blow any pretender to the throne back to the stone age faster than Croatian dial up.

The power and greatness of the USA isn't in it's military or it's government or it's sword rattling state department it's in her people.  That's right the men and women who get up and go to a job they hate day after day only to rise up in glorious benevlence to send AIDS and famine relief to Africa or millions of pounds of relief supplies to tsunami victims in Indonesia and Japan.  It is these nameless faceless members of this society who, in an instant,can unite seemlessly behind a common good to lift this country to majestic splendar.

 

I don't feel superior because I was born in such a country ...I feel lucky...

 

sorry for the hijacking...but had to be said...


Pretty strong statement.  One that I think is utterly erroneous from the historical perspective.

Ultimately, I disagree with your primary claim that America is singular in not seeking world domination.  For one thing, it begs the question: what is world domination?  Politically, since the second World War, and especially peaking during the cold war, we have pursued a policy of ideological hegemony, trying to export western values and democracy upon the world at large.  While this might not always take the form of a direct military occupation, it is, in its own way, an attempt at global domination.

This is to say nothing about the role of national self interest and economic imperialism.  Even if we don't try to conquer the entire world, we have been maintaining a presence in certain key strategic locales for generations (the Middle East is the most obvious example, which has both defensive and economic motivations underlining its prominence).  Even if this isn't global, it is still territorial, and power-oriented.  Furthermore, there is the example of American corporations, which have become global superpowers in their own right.

Of course, I recognize that there is a distinction between the American government, American institutions and the American people itself.  However, politics and institutions are not something that should be underestimated and, especially when considering how fickle human beings can be.  To subjugate the importance of such factors in favor of collective sentimentality is to create a distorted, and easilly manipulated, picture of a far more complicated sociopolitical tableau.

As for the second element of your claim that all other hegemonic powers have been driven by a desire to dominate, this is completely erroneous.  They may have conquered massive amount of territory, but often this territorial supremacy been an effect of alternative factors, rather than a cause in itself.  I'll limit myself to two examples here: the British Empire and Revolutionary France. 

The British Empire was largely focused more upon economic hegemony rather than outright political occupation.  This was especially the case during the 18th century, when colonization was carried out through Joint Stock Companies.  Even moving past this point, to the best of my knowledge, the true value of places such as India to the British wasn't as locales under British sovereingty so much as the economic, as well as the strategic, benefits that these places granted them. This is not to say they did not take a certain amount of pride in the Empire (though some historians have disputed even that claim), but their intent was something far more calculated and nuanced than world domination.  They tended to be driven more along commerical and naval interests.  It was these concerns that led to the British Empire, rather than any desire for conquest.

Then there is the case of the French expansion during the Revolution, which was accompanied by extraordinary ideological intensity: they perceived the entire Revolution to be in extrarodinary danger, and it was.  Taken from this perspective, the extraordinary expansion of French power during the end of the 18th century is simultaneously a form of self defence as well as an extended campaign of liberation.  It was also, of course, a means of conquest and appropriation.  Nevertheless, in both of these cases, these countries were driven by far more than the prosaic desire of world conquest.