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KID transposing to the Pirc
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Yes, 1 d4 Nf6 2 Nc3 g6 3 e4 d6, or 2...d6 3 e4 g6 transposes to Pirc.
You can also play 2...d5.
Jan 8, 2023
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tygxc wrote:
@1
Yes, 1 d4 Nf6 2 Nc3 g6 3 e4 d6, or 2...d6 3 e4 g6 transposes to Pirc.
You can also play 2...d5.
Is it better to transpose to a pirc or play 2...d5??
It depends on your preferences, ...d5 would lead to a classical game where you try to fight for the center from the start, while the Pirc is sort of an hypermodern opening where you apparently give up the center to counterattack later; more complex and difficult to handle if you are inexperienced because you have less space. At your level a classical approach looks better for the moment, imo.
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"Is it better to transpose to a pirc or play 2...d5?"
++ Objectively 2...d5 may be better to punish white for his omission to play 2 c4.
However, if you play Pirc as black against 1 e4, then transposing to Pirc may be practical.
I'm low rated and terrible and I play the Modern defense/Pirc Defense as black. My win rate with black using the modern is 57.3%
dunno if thats good for a 1000
Jan 8, 2023
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tygxc wrote:
@4
"Is it better to transpose to a pirc or play 2...d5?"
++ Objectively 2...d5 may be better to punish white for his omission to play 2 c4.
However, if you play Pirc as black against 1 e4, then transposing to Pirc may be practical.
I play the sicilian against 1.e4. I have played the pirc before but it didnt suit me. I think I'll try 2...d5 next time
Jan 8, 2023
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hushpersonok wrote:
I'm low rated and terrible and I play the Modern defense/Pirc Defense as black. My win rate with black using the modern is 57.3%
dunno if thats good for a 1000
The pirc is a great opening, but i'm not that comfortable playing it so i want some alternatives if possible
Jan 8, 2023
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Pulpofeira wrote:
It depends on your preferences, ...d5 would lead to a classical game where you try to fight for the center from the start, while the Pirc is sort of an hypermodern opening where you apparently give up the center to counterattack later; more complex and difficult to handle if you are inexperienced because you have less space. At your level a classical approach looks better for the moment, imo.
Yeah, i think I'll go with 2...d5, thanks!! I do play the King's Indian against 1.d4 Nf6 2. c4 though, which is a hypermodern opening too so i have some idea of how to play hypermodern openings, but i have experimented with the pirc before and it feels quite different from the King's Indian so i wasnt really comfortable playing it
hushpersonok wrote:
I'm low rated and terrible and I play the Modern defense/Pirc Defense as black. My win rate with black using the modern is 57.3%
dunno if thats good for a 1000
Statistically black scores roughly 40-45 points in most openings, so assuming you draw 5% of your games, you score about 20 points higher in the Modern than average. Honestly the Modern is a pretty solid opening, it does well against the London, it can transpose into a lot of other openings, it can be played against 1.e4/d4/c4/Nf6 so you only do badly against the Nimzo-Larsen and Polish.
If I understand it well, the problem with the Pirc is that you are one tempo behind compared to the KID.
Pulpofeira wrote:
If I understand it well, the problem with the Pirc is that you are one tempo behind compared to the KID.
Yes, in exchange for White's c-pawn being undeveloped.
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"with the Pirc is that you are one tempo behind compared to the KID"
++ No, that is not true. Tempi are even. The question is if c4 is more or less useful. Generally c4 is quite useful and white wins many games against the King's Indian Defense thanks to the c4 pawn, which gives white a persistent initiative on the queen's side.
LQ08 wrote:
tygxc wrote:
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Yes, 1 d4 Nf6 2 Nc3 g6 3 e4 d6, or 2...d6 3 e4 g6 transposes to Pirc.
You can also play 2...d5.
Is it better to transpose to a pirc or play 2...d5??
2...d5 is objectively a better and more principled move but 2...g6 is certainly playable like the Pirc/Modern complex
Hi, i wanted to ask if I'm balck in a game and it goes, 1.d4 Nf6, me trying to play the King's Indian Defense and my opponent plays Nc3 blocking the c pawn, do i transpose to a pirc or is there a better setup against this??