welp i guess i really am all alone
I mean, I don't see how else I can convince you it is a sport
That's easy. A sport is a recreational activity that requires physical skill. Not physical effort, physical SKILL. So if you want to convince someone chess is a sport, all you have to do is show how chess requires physical skill. Anyone that thinks chess is a sport should have no problem doing that.
This is the official definition. It does not say the physical exertion must be vigorous.
then answer why sitting on a chair isn't a sport?
Sitting in a chair is not a sport because it
a. Is not competitive
b. Does not require skill
c. Does not require physical or mental exertion
d. ...and a bunch of other reasons
What you fail to understand is that how the players treat an activity defines what that activity becomes. Therefore, sitting on a chair will never be a sport but chess will be.
and what you fail to understand is that a sport must contain a good amount of physical exertion
You aren't listening. The sport of chess requires mental exertion, equal to any physical activity, and similar to sports in every way. Like I already said...
i understand that chess does require a lot of hard work, but the defining trait of a sport is literally something involving physical stuff. think about other sports, such as soccer, basketball, and swimming. when i think of a sport, i think of people sweating their butts off, not two people shuffling miniature figures around a small board
Do you know that grandmasters sweat tons upon tons during OTB?
and that sweat is caused by mental exertion, not physically
This is a fundamental difference that some people cannot wrap their minds around. These same people will probably never be good chess players, as playing chess requires rational thinking.
Stress sweat is actually a real thing. People who do things that are mentally stressful, but not physically stressful burn a lot of calories. They stress. They have elevated heartbeats. They feel physically exhausted afterwards.
It's surprising that people smart enough to play chess are not smart enough to know that mental activities can, and do, have physical effects.
Chess is a mental activity, not a physical one. As we all know, chess is mentally demanding, but not physically demanding. And we also all know that a sport requires physical SKILL. Some people have a difficult time trying to figure out the difference between skill and effort. Because chess requires little (sometimes no) physical effort, some people think that qualifies as sport. What they fail to realize is that effort is NOT the same as skill. Chess requires no physical skill.
None. Zero. So it literally cannot be a sport. Even if we really, really, really wanted it to be a sport the actual definition of words prevents it. Just like if we wanted a tuna casserole to be an apple tree. No amount of wanting it will ever make it happen.
For those who really, really, really want chess to be a sport it's easy. Change the definition of sport. Then you will get your wish.
Sport.
Quoted: "Grandmasters lose 100s of calories per classical game (90|30)."
The specific mention of Grandmasters implies that the harder you think, the more calories you burn. I think that is hilarious. Playing chess uses approximately the same amount of calories as anyone else sitting at the table playing any other game.
I think chess is a sport. If you don't think chess is a sport, there are plenty of other forums that discuss it. This forum is for people who want to make it heard that chess is indeed a sport.
All you need to do is comment that chess is a sport. Let's get a lot of comments on this forum!
"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet." - by some guy you might have heard about...
welp i guess i really am all alone
I mean, I don't see how else I can convince you it is a sport
That's easy. A sport is a recreational activity that requires physical skill. Not physical effort, physical SKILL. So if you want to convince someone chess is a sport, all you have to do is show how chess requires physical skill. Anyone that thinks chess is a sport should have no problem doing that.
No, your definition is false. It only requires physical exertion, so physical exertion does not have to be involved with skill. They are separate, and that is what you fail to understand.
This is the official definition. It does not say the physical exertion must be vigorous.
then answer why sitting on a chair isn't a sport?
Sitting in a chair is not a sport because it
a. Is not competitive
b. Does not require skill
c. Does not require physical or mental exertion
d. ...and a bunch of other reasons
What you fail to understand is that how the players treat an activity defines what that activity becomes. Therefore, sitting on a chair will never be a sport but chess will be.
and what you fail to understand is that a sport must contain a good amount of physical exertion
You aren't listening. The sport of chess requires mental exertion, equal to any physical activity, and similar to sports in every way. Like I already said...
i understand that chess does require a lot of hard work, but the defining trait of a sport is literally something involving physical stuff. think about other sports, such as soccer, basketball, and swimming. when i think of a sport, i think of people sweating their butts off, not two people shuffling miniature figures around a small board
Do you know that grandmasters sweat tons upon tons during OTB?
and that sweat is caused by mental exertion, not physically
This is a fundamental difference that some people cannot wrap their minds around. These same people will probably never be good chess players, as playing chess requires rational thinking.
Stress sweat is actually a real thing. People who do things that are mentally stressful, but not physically stressful burn a lot of calories. They stress. They have elevated heartbeats. They feel physically exhausted afterwards.
It's surprising that people smart enough to play chess are not smart enough to know that mental activities can, and do, have physical effects.
Chess is a mental activity, not a physical one. As we all know, chess is mentally demanding, but not physically demanding. And we also all know that a sport requires physical SKILL. Some people have a difficult time trying to figure out the difference between skill and effort. Because chess requires little (sometimes no) physical effort, some people think that qualifies as sport. What they fail to realize is that effort is NOT the same as skill. Chess requires no physical skill.
None. Zero. So it literally cannot be a sport. Even if we really, really, really wanted it to be a sport the actual definition of words prevents it. Just like if we wanted a tuna casserole to be an apple tree. No amount of wanting it will ever make it happen.
For those who really, really, really want chess to be a sport it's easy. Change the definition of sport. Then you will get your wish.
Your flimsy argument really falls apart once you read word 5 in the definition of sport.
Exertion is simply a physical or mental effort of any quantity. The scale of exertion is not part of the meaning:
welp i guess i really am all alone
I mean, I don't see how else I can convince you it is a sport
That's easy. A sport is a recreational activity that requires physical skill. Not physical effort, physical SKILL. So if you want to convince someone chess is a sport, all you have to do is show how chess requires physical skill. Anyone that thinks chess is a sport should have no problem doing that.
No, your definition is false. It only requires physical exertion, so physical exertion does not have to be involved with skill. They are separate, and that is what you fail to understand.
Except it's not my definition. I had nothing to do with it. If I said a rectangle has four sides and you said my definition is false I would say the same thing. It's not MY definition. It's everyone elses definition. I didn't define sport, everyone else did. That's why the dictionary says what it says. That's why ALL the reasons given are what they are.
If you don't like society defining the word sport the way it does, change society. Change the definition in the dictionary. Until then, chess, by DEFINITION, is not a sport.
NOUN
an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.
"team sports such as baseball and soccer" · [more]
The actual, literal, definition of sport says physical skill. Chess has no physical skill. None. Zero. Which, again, is why people who are physically impaired can still play chess. Quite well in fact. Chess is a mental game, not a physical sport.
What makes chess a great game is the fact it's NOT a sport. Those who wish chess were a sport should be grateful of the uniqueness and not push chess into a category where it would get minimized and fade into obscurity. Chess as a sport would be less popular than tea cup arranging. But chess as a game sits at or very near the top. Be careful of what you ask for.
i repeat, a sport must involve physical activity
I already said that chess involves physical activity (and even though that isn't the main focus of the game, it still doesn't violate the definition), chess requires skill, and chess can be played competitively for entertainment
that is true, but i feel like physical activity is the main characteristic of a sport
Maybe it is because most sports have physical activity as the main focus, but chess also has physical activity
how?
You have to move the pieces
thats like saying watching TV is physical activity cuz u breathe
Well, what about giant chess?
lol, Harry Potter
i repeat, a sport must involve physical activity
I already said that chess involves physical activity (and even though that isn't the main focus of the game, it still doesn't violate the definition), chess requires skill, and chess can be played competitively for entertainment
that is true, but i feel like physical activity is the main characteristic of a sport
Maybe it is because most sports have physical activity as the main focus, but chess also has physical activity
how?
You have to move the pieces
thats like saying watching TV is physical activity cuz u breathe
Well, what about giant chess?
giant chess like this?
I didn't even watch the video.
I meant THIS giant chess.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22Hhb9cCCjo
sport
There are allegedly tens of millions of members on chess.com. So we'll see what they think. So far about eight or ten people think chess is a sport. Which makes me think they are pretty much ALL here. But we'll see. I have a feeling most chess players think the same as the general population. Interesting game, but will never be a sport.
I have a challenge for you: Search up if chess is a sport, and you will find the Olympics thinks it is. So it is. Wanna argue if the Olympics are trustworthy or not?
It's not really a challenge. Reading a dictionary is rather routine, not challenging at all.
As far as the Olympics go that really has no bearing on if something is a sport or not. It is, afterall, called the Olympic Games. If chess were included in the Olympics, I don't see any problem with that. The IOC is known for it's corruption, so it probably wouldn't take much of a bribe to get someone to include chess. Trustworthy? I don't know, how much do you trust a corrupt organization? That's up to you. So the search on whether or not chess is a sport turns up what it always turns up. A resounding no.