Response from Caught Cheater - Worth Reading - Chess Forums - Page 6

ilikeflags

Aug 10, 2009

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#101

erik wrote:

i'm not calling him the patron saint at all :) i was just comparing him to others who add lies on top of lies and deny it.

again, this was supposed to do 2 things:

- warn others who might think about cheating "just once" about what can happen if you let yourself slip once (lose your account, lose your self-respect);

- not excuse bad behavior, but show an example of someone with a contrite heart (which is in contrast to the shameful politicians and Alex Rodriguez's of this world who can't own up).

he's not excused and not forgiven, and it's despicable what he did. but it's noteworthy how he handled his mistakes.

best post i've read here

CPawn

Aug 10, 2009

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#102

Donald_Lee wrote:

CPawn wrote:

In todays world where so many make excuses, and blame others. This person does deserve credit.

For what? I suppose it depends on if you believe they are sincere or not. I don't.

Everyone deserves a second chance, and they are not even asking for it.

Second chance at what? Returning to play at chess.com? No they don't. Its not like people who say good riddance hate the person. We just have 0 tolerance for cheating and are glad when they are caught and booted. Cheating is ruining online chess.

They owned up to what they did, and that deserves forgiveness.

No it doesnt. Not online. As I said before there is an entire community of chess cheaters online where they discuss how to do it and get away with it, and if caught what to say, a variety of excuses and apologies. They mean nothing to me, none of them. I've read them all and this is nothing new, to me. It is that black and white concerning the matter of online cheating.

Erik believes theres sincerity here, thats fine, he still gave him the boot. Others know the person at least in an online setting so they have some sympathies for him, great.

He might be the greatest person in the world and thats all well and good. But he cheated here, and for that reason good riddance to him from chess.com.

I don't hate him, I don't even know him. Doesnt matter.

As an aside I recently found out Im a #8 and we find cheating of any sort a nearly unforgivable tresspass. (had a brush with numerology this past weekend, accurate on this pt anyway!)

Its a flaw.

Sue me.

I never once said anything about allowing that person back to chess.com. That ultimately is that person, and Eriks call. I said they should be forgiven. Which i have done...

Donald_Lee

Aug 10, 2009

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#103

@cpawn

Well. What exactly do you mean a second chance?

A little clarity goes a long way.

When you say second chance in the context of this thread I interpret it as meaning allowed to stay/return whatever.

How else am I supposed to read it?

No one took his birthday away, so other than being allowed to return to chess.com I dont know what is meant by giving him a second chance.

madpawn

Aug 10, 2009

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#104

I am always sorry when anyone feel the need to use anything other than legitimate means to progress a game. I always ask, whether there is any risk of being caught or not, what benefit could you possibly get out of it? If your grade is too high, you will get smashed by 'lower' graded players, as a matter of course. It becomes a burden to you, trying to keep up the sham; there is no sense of accomplishment when you 'win' by this method!

I have some difficult opponents breathing down my neck at the moment, but I am also breathing down the necks of other opponents, so it evens out and I can enjoy the encounters, win lose or draw! It's a game baby enjoy it!

madpawn

Aug 10, 2009

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#105

Oh, an addendum to my last post. I don't ever want to have the distinct feeling that my opponent is cheating whilst I am sweating over a hot virtual board.

Sorry, cheaters out! Chess.com well done for having such integrity.

Cheaters 0 Intergrity 1 Well played!!

ilikeflags

Aug 10, 2009

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#106

cheating at online chess seems to be about the most spineless thing a person could do. don't get me wrong, i get that it doesn't change the world, but it just sucks. i work my ass off at this game--i study and read and practice and study more and play and practice and on and on and it really blows me away that some A-HOLE sits in his little hole and uses a computer to make himself look better than me. me?!?! it's useless, i'm a 1500 player. just play the GD game. if you lose, you lose. if you win! awesome! build on either. practice more, read more study more. this 100% intolerance against cheaters policy is my favorite thing about chess.com. keep it up erik and the rest of the staff. cheaters die! (metaphorically speaking of course)

Trant

Aug 10, 2009

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#107

LinwoodMike wrote:

madpwan it could be that they are way better at you or what i mean is they are more talented players or it could mean they have a better strategy than you

Mike, there's 65 odd pages on how sites like Chess.com catch cheating.

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/community/chesscom-policy-on-cheating

It's not conjecture, just pure analysis of their games. I'd suggest you make further comments and questions in that thread

bigpoison

Aug 10, 2009

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#108

ilikeflags wrote:

cheating at online chess seems to be about the most spineless thing a person could do. don't get me wrong, i get that it doesn't change the world, but it just sucks. i work my ass off at this game--i study and read and practice and study more and play and practice and on and on and it really blows me away that some A-HOLE sits in his little hole and uses a computer to make himself look better than me. me?!?! it's useless, i'm a 1500 player. just play the GD game. if you lose, you lose. if you win! awesome! build on either. practice more, read more study more. this 100% intolerance against cheaters policy is my favorite thing about chess.com. keep it up erik and the rest of the staff. cheaters die! (metaphorically speaking of course)

C'mon, ilikeflags, 100% intolerance? How 'bout:

Ouachita Blunders-away Win ???????????????????????????????

Kupov

Aug 10, 2009

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#109

chess_kebabs wrote:

Suggo wrote:

CPawn wrote:

Very mature, and it also shows what it takes to be a real man. God Bless whoever that is, and i wish them the best.

This is why I don't think it should have been made public. This guy has now been given more credit than the vast majority of the chess.com community that has never set a foot out of line!

Yes he is being given credit here for maturity Suggo. But not to take away from the poor decision he made. At least he has a conscience.... How many cheaters left this site and didn't give it a second thought.... and probably came back to cheat again under a new name.... At least he has said he won't do this... and I believe him 100% that he won't.

What maturity?

Kupov

Aug 10, 2009

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#110

P.S I agree with Suggo entirely.

NM ozzie_c_cobblepot

Aug 10, 2009

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#111

I admire the apology the way I admire what Andy Pettitte did.

I still hate the Yankees.

goldendog

Aug 10, 2009

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#112

bigpoison wrote:

ilikeflags wrote:

cheating at online chess seems to be about the most spineless thing a person could do. don't get me wrong, i get that it doesn't change the world, but it just sucks. i work my ass off at this game--i study and read and practice and study more and play and practice and on and on and it really blows me away that some A-HOLE sits in his little hole and uses a computer to make himself look better than me. me?!?! it's useless, i'm a 1500 player. just play the GD game. if you lose, you lose. if you win! awesome! build on either. practice more, read more study more. this 100% intolerance against cheaters policy is my favorite thing about chess.com. keep it up erik and the rest of the staff. cheaters die! (metaphorically speaking of course)

C'mon, ilikeflags, 100% intolerance? How 'bout:

Ouachita Blunders-away Win ???????????????????????????????

Kepler's posts are alread deleted from the thread

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/nostradamus-demise

so I wonder how incoherent it will look with 'chita's gone too?

bigpoison

Aug 10, 2009

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#113

ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:

I admire the apology the way I admire what Andy Pettitte did.

I still hate the Yankees.

Did that apology garner four world series rings, or something?

Damned Yankees.

Kupov

Aug 10, 2009

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#114

chess_kebabs wrote:

Kupov wrote:

chess_kebabs wrote:

Suggo wrote:

CPawn wrote:

Very mature, and it also shows what it takes to be a real man. God Bless whoever that is, and i wish them the best.

This is why I don't think it should have been made public. This guy has now been given more credit than the vast majority of the chess.com community that has never set a foot out of line!

Yes he is being given credit here for maturity Suggo. But not to take away from the poor decision he made. At least he has a conscience.... How many cheaters left this site and didn't give it a second thought.... and probably came back to cheat again under a new name.... At least he has said he won't do this... and I believe him 100% that he won't.

What maturity?

Are you going to say the same thing to Erik Kupov, who also says Anton is showing great maturity here? Or you are just going to target me because I have you blocked and you can't find another place to have a go at me?

Yes I am going to say it to anyone in this thread who thinks that Lizard87 (WHO I LIKED QUITE A BIT) acted with maturity.

He was a nice guy, but he made his own bed.

P.S. Do you really think that someone disagreeing with you is "having a go" at you?

Dexter_Morgan

Aug 10, 2009

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#115

SteveCollyer wrote:

I notice that after pouring scorn on the top 3 matchup method in the forum (and actually suggesting that weaker players may have higher matchup rates than GM's!) Kepler is gone as well.

http://www.chess.com/members/view/Kepler

Wow! I remember reading Kepler's continuous garbage about how beginners might statistically match up more to chess programs' top choices than seasoned GM's... and he quoted endless Statistical theory to back him up. I guess all to cover up the fact that he was using a program. HAHAHAHA

As for Anton, the guy who this thread was started about. I give him credit for showing more class than the average cheater after he was caught, but that's about it. He had to get caught before he outwardly showed his remorse. I don't doubt he was embattled about the issue, but who knows if his behavior would have stopped had he not gotten caught? Sure, it's a shame to lose his contributions to the site, but he knew the rules better than anyone. In the end, he's just another lowlife cheater banished from Chess.com. Good riddance.

Kupov

Aug 10, 2009

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#116

chess_kebabs wrote:

No I don't Kupov.... just you. History shows that, not just your one off comment here. How many times have I blocked you?

Why are you bringing up some personal quarrel into a discussion which has nothing to do with you?

Anyway back to the topic, where exactly did Erik say (in context) that Lizard87 acted with maturity? I believe Erik actually said that Lizard acted with maturity only compared to other confirmed engine users.

Nytik

Aug 10, 2009

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#117

LinwoodMike wrote:

if you want to know why i think cheating should not be taken too seroiusly please look at page 5 at the posts 92,93 and 95 all those posts were written by me and that's all i'm going to say that is my opinion

Hey, LinwoodMike, look what I found on page six! Three pages later and you're still arguining with everyone under the sun?

chessoholicalien

Aug 10, 2009

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#118

The problem is if Erik reinstates this guy he's gonna have to reinstate all the other people banned for cheating as well. There can't be one rule for one and a different rule for all others. Erik's attitude to cheating is commendable.

Dexter_Morgan

Aug 10, 2009

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#119

CPawn wrote:

Very mature, and it also shows what it takes to be a real man. God Bless whoever that is, and i wish them the best.

Sorry I wouldn't use the words "mature" and a "real man" to describe a lowlife who takes it upon himself to cheat on an internet chess site.

Dexter_Morgan

Aug 10, 2009

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#120

chess_kebabs wrote:

I think it took a lot of guts for him to apologise...

Well it's not like he had to get behind a podium and make a televised apology to the world. He just sent a message of contrition over the internet. I mean, it's better to do it than not to do it, and as erik said, most don't. But I really wouldn't characterize this guy as having any kind of spine for doing so.