The Communist Utopia

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Lou-for-you

Kid, you may think that you make some sense, but in the mean time wallonia is closing companies every day and there will not be a lot left to share in that country of yours. I would refrain from giving lessons scholar..

Lou-for-you

And the chocolates are the best in the world, and their beer is great,..

Wolfbird

I like the Belgium people. And the chocolate is scrumptious.

DrSpudnik

The sprouts, no so much.

Wolfbird

Brussel sprouts? Are you crazy, Spuddie? They're delicious.

DrSpudnik

They taste like boiled farts.

Wolfbird

We boil farts on top of the stove, not in the oven. Tongue Out

TheBigDecline
chess_gg wrote:

To the OP...

You are self-admittedly lazy and ostensibly a cheapskate with a negative attitude.

Yeah, these traits will get you far in life.

IMO, though, it is worth paying a fee so as to not get all those irritating ads. And, as a capitalist, I don't see a problem with a business that is providing goods and services to make a profit.

Uuuh, look at Mr. Star over there! Laughing

And the ads don't bother me, some of them are even kind of entertaining!

DrSpudnik

If GumBootKing wasn't busy being a pretend radical, he'd know the proper way to boil a fart.

All that pseudo-radical gibberish about Big Macs & SUVs and living in Raskolnikov's coldwater flat(ulence)...it grows tiresome.

DrSpudnik

You tell 'em, Spartacus!

TheBigDecline
chess_gg wrote:

>>Uuuh, look at Mr. Star over there! <<

Hey, I am a subscriber rather than a freeloader.

BTW...I've had the higher memberships but this one suits my present needs.

Go ahead, get a star...you can afford it if you get out of the basement and go mow a few lawns. (Actually, just one lawn by the going rate!)

And don't lie to me that you are OK with all those piss-pot ads. If you can tolerate that, then you can tolerate being at the bottom of the food chain with every other aspect of your...what do you have, 50 or 60 more years of food stamps and such? 

The point I was trying to bring across in the OP was that I don't really need a Premium membership, rather than not being able to afford one. Look, I'm being frank with myself ... I'm a mediocre player of a board game and while I used to indulge myself in daydreams of becoming a Chess rockstar by watching between lunch and supper one or two videos and kick off the Chess mentor when I feel like it, I realized that the investment would be futile because I lack the necessary dedication (and talent) to begin with. And I smoke like a chimney, so if the government is lucky I might kick the bucket before they gotta pay me my first retirement check. But before that inevitably happens, I try to live my life to the fullest!!! (by playing Chess etc.)

DrSpudnik
Umberto_Unity wrote:

Tell us please why you think National Socialism is less inherently evil than Communism.

How many people have to be killed before it becomes really bad? Is there a cutoff or something?

TheBigDecline
Umberto_Unity wrote:

Tell us please why you think National Socialism is less inherently evil than Communism.

I go by the higher number of victims. Also, maybe National Socialism can be considered less radical than perfect (by the book) Communism, which aims at reshaping Man itself. Hmm... just different excuses for exerting power and oppressing the enemy, really.

Lou-for-you

@gambitking, i hope you are a democrat and asked the students what they prefer to eat. Often they are at an age where healthy food is not yet on the agenda. Taking away fries from belgian students looks to me as a something you will never achieve..

Lou-for-you

And because Marx came to brussels, you come to LLN ? Just remember that life is too complicated to understand. The war against french fries has started in belgium! The state security is looking for an alien from....??

DrSpudnik

Your waffles will be assimilated!

Lou-for-you

No society based on equality will ever accomplish something important. You need leadership, sacrifice, priorities and the will of the visionary to achieve something. Democracies are incapable of this.. This is why our planet is not solving its challenges. It would require the acceptance of global leadership.

DrFrank124c

The utopia turned into a dystopia under comrade Stalin!

DrFrank124c
TheGambitKing wrote:
DrFrank124c wrote:

The utopia turned into a dystopia under comrade Stalin!

As I have said before many times, Stalin was not a true Communist; he was a Statist. He was the 'pig who wore man's clothing'; if the pigs looked out for the other animals just like the other animals looked out for them, then the farm could have been run successfully.

We must never forget to abide by 'four legs good, two legs bad'--we must always remember who the enemy is--not a specific nationality, race, or individual (this is the fatal flaw in something like National Socialism), but the corporate interest that seeks to enslave the masses.

I am not trying to be Napoleon, or even Snowball--why can't we all strive to be the next Boxer?

The interesting thing, ironically enough, is that for all his evils, under Stalin, Russia's economic output (and therefore the living conditions for many individuals) actually vastly improved. Central planning is not evil in and of itself. Why do we ignore all the war crimes that the U. S. and Israel have committed and continue to commit?

The problem with communists is that they tend to ignore simple biology. Man is an animal and his basic psychology is that of an animal. If you look at most animal packs--such as chimpanzees, wolves, lions and so forth--you will see there is an alpha male who is the leader of the pack and gets the most meat and the most females. Humans are like that, instead of sharing equally there are the alpha males who get the most and best of everything and the rest of us have to grovel at their feet. You cannot change human nature. Men are nasty, selfish and evil and are always trying to get the upper hand over everyone else. Just look at world history and you will see this is true.

The second problem is Malthus' law which states that populations increase geometrically while food production increases arithmetically. So if you come up with an economic system that works, no matter how altruistic, it will fail as have all other economic systems in the past. Look at the Roman Empire, the medieval feudalism of Europe, the Soviet Union and so forth. In fact the more successful an economy is the more the poplulation increases and the faster it will collapse.

I am aware that Marx and Lenin poo pooed Malthus's theories but Darwin agreed with them. If we look at the world today we see that even though we have seemed to overcome Malthus' law with technology the vast increase of the world's population has resulted in global warming that will ultimately result in the rise of the sea level, earthquakes and intense weather phenomena causing the deaths of countless people.

"In the end we are all dead."--Keynes.  

 

PS: I am not ignoring the terrible things the US and Israel do throughout the world. Obama, Bush,  and their friends are just as evil as Hitler and Stalin ever were. They do their evil deeds in order to maintain themselves as alpha males.

CanIPlayWithMadness
DrFrank124c ha scritto:

The problem with communists is that they tend to ignore simple biology.

The problem with liberists is that they tend to ignore system dynamics.
Who grants that a time dependent system, such as an economic one, is stable (or has another desired property) in his free evolution if there's no external control?
I'm not saying communism is THE solution, but science shows that many more common economic models currently used are wrong as well.

You cannot change human nature. Men are nasty, selfish and evil and are always trying to get the upper hand over everyone else.

Of course, but any species has its internal rules. A smart community who wants to face the matter of survival should prevent the most of the group from death rather than a few individuals.

The second problem is Malthus' law which states that populations increase geometrically while food production increases arithmetically. So if you come up with an economic system that works, no matter how altruistic, it will fail as have all other economic systems in the past.

Ok. Does it show that capitalism or imperialism or anything else works better than communism?

Look at the Roman Empire, the medieval feudalism of Europe, the Soviet Union and so forth. In fact the more successful an economy is the more the poplulation increases and the faster it will collapse.

I've never heard that the Soviet Union collapsed beause of an excess of its demographic growth.

If we look at the world today we see that even though we have seemed to overcome Malthus' law with technology the vast increase of the world's population has resulted in global warming that will ultimately result in the rise of the sea level, earthquakes and intense weather phenomena causing the deaths of countless people.

"In the end we are all dead."--Keynes.  

Again. It's clear nothing is eternal, but that's not a reason not to improve the way we're dealing with social problems.
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