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@Lagomorph: If the western powers allowed the people of the middle eastern countries to change their own governments to what they wanted without intervention then they would be more than capable of fighting daesh themselves. But so long as daesh is continuously armed, funded, and supported by Saudi Arabia, Israel, Turkey, the U.S., etc., then the people cannot fight daesh themselves.

As far as refugees are concerned, just think if there was a catastrophic natural disaster in Europe. The rest of the world would have to take all the refugees, wouldn't it? Sorry, but the invasion of the Middle East will not be a minor footnote in history. It will forever resist terms such as a mere "mistake", or "folly". It's changing the world, it's changing Europe forever. It's a world war event.

trysts
Elroch wrote:
trysts wrote:

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Of course, people who are informed by propaganda will just say "conspiracy theory" as if it's a pejorative term, ...

It is a pejorative term these days, generally used to refer to explanations involving highly implausible conspiracies rather than merely conspiracies. The term "conspiracy" on its own is common in law and in sober reporting and has no such connotation.

Generally used for the highly implausible? Not really. It's generally used for both the implausible and the probable. Kind of like the word "troll" is used for both the jerk and the entertainer.

Lagomorph
trysts wrote:

@Lagomorph: If the western powers allowed the people of the middle eastern countries to change their own governments to what they wanted without intervention then they would be more than capable of fighting daesh themselves.

It is the middle Eastern governments themselves that do not want to give their people a democratic voice. It is not the West's role to impose it. Saudi Arabia; Jordan; Egypt;Iran are all capable of taking on ISIS, they just don't have the will.

Lagomorph
trysts wrote:

 But so long as daesh is continuously armed, funded, and supported by Saudi Arabia, Israel, Turkey, the U.S., etc.,

Israel;and the US ?

Lagomorph
trysts wrote:

As far as refugees are concerned, just think if there was a catastrophic natural disaster in Europe. The rest of the world would have to take all the refugees, wouldn't it?

Oh yes I can see the Islamic Caliphate welcoming European refugees with open arms ! 

You cannot seperate a refugee crisis from its political causes. No western government would last five minutes if it had a policy of allowing in refugees without any say in a military or political solution to the crisis that caused the refugees to flee in the first place.

Elroch
Lagomorph wrote:
trysts wrote:

 But so long as daesh is continuously armed, funded, and supported by Saudi Arabia, Israel, Turkey, the U.S., etc.,

Israel;and the US ?

Quite.

That is what is known as a "conspiracy theory".

Lagomorph
Elroch wrote:
Lagomorph wrote:
trysts wrote:

 But so long as daesh is continuously armed, funded, and supported by Saudi Arabia, Israel, Turkey, the U.S., etc.,

Israel;and the US ?

Quite.

That is what is known as a "conspiracy theory".

I suggest that is what is known as drinking or smoking too much.

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wirebolt

Guys. We're talking about France here. Has this post just become a debate between Ghostliner and Raspberry-Yogurt?

trysts
Lagomorph wrote:
trysts wrote:

 But so long as daesh is continuously armed, funded, and supported by Saudi Arabia, Israel, Turkey, the U.S., etc.,

Israel;and the US ?

It's well known that the U.S. has supported many groups who make up the general term "daesh". It is also well known that the Israeli government has supported many groups who make up "daesh". Daesh is not a brand new group of people, it is made up of the so-called "good al-qaeda", the "formerly moderate rebels", and various other groups.

"General Wesley Clark, former Supreme Commander of NATO, told CNN that the Islamic Emirate ("Daesh") had been "created by our friends(Israel) and allies to defeat Hezbollah.""

http://www.voltairenet.org/article186827.html

Newly-Declassified U.S. Government Documents: The West Supported the Creation of ISIS

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/05/newly-declassified-u-s-government-documents-the-west-supported-the-creation-of-isis.html

Clearly you and Elroch like to make accusations implying that I'm hallucinating instead of thinking that y'all may possibly be ignorant of some things:)

wirebolt

This is shocking. We really are hypocrites.

Ghostliner
Every single person in the west is a total hypocrite, and that includes me because I'm not doing anything about our leaders either.
Lagomorph
trysts wrote:

Clearly you and Elroch like to make accusations implying that I'm hallucinating instead of thinking that y'all may possibly be ignorant of some things:)

The hallucinating reference was a joke.

The serious questioning of your post was that you claimed :

trysts wrote:

 But so long as daesh is continuously armed, funded, and supported by Saudi Arabia, Israel, Turkey, the U.S., etc.,

The operative word is CONTINUOUSLY. It is clear to anyone with two brain cells that Israel and the USA are not NOW funding ISIS

wirebolt

"Ghostliner wrote:

Every single person in the west is a total hypocrite, and that includes me because I'm not doing anything about our leaders either. "

It includes me as well because I'm not posting anything relevant to France and that I'm not doing anything about it.

Lagomorph
Ghostliner wrote:
Every single person in the west is a total hypocrite, and that includes me because I'm not doing anything about our leaders either.

Yes we are all bad bad people who are led by bad bad leaders. Only Jeremy (I wont shoot terrorists) Corbin can save the west now.

Lagomorph
wirebolt wrote:

It includes me as well because I'm not posting anything relevant to France and that I'm not doing anything about it.

I dont recall you posting anything relevant at all to be honest.

wirebolt

We need to remember all those innocent French people who lost their lives.

RonaldJosephCote

      As long as Chess.com is allowing post 1576 to stand, I'm gonna have to counter with;                                 Trysts, YOU INCOMPETENT SLUT!Yell                                                                        General Wesley Clark hasn't been a General for 15 yrs. You said its "well known". It can't be well known if its "newly" declassified documents. With you its hard to determine where the illusion begins, and the liquor ends. Those "well known" groups your refering to change allegiances faster than you go through a 6 pack. However, what General Clark DID say, as of July this year, is that "Disloyal" Americans should be put in internment camps. UndecidedI'm pretty sure he's talking about people like YOU!  https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/07/21/clar-j21.html

trysts
Lagomorph wrote:
trysts wrote:

Clearly you and Elroch like to make accusations implying that I'm hallucinating instead of thinking that y'all may possibly be ignorant of some things:)

The hallucinating reference was a joke.

The serious questioning of your post was that you claimed :

trysts wrote:

 But so long as daesh is continuously armed, funded, and supported by Saudi Arabia, Israel, Turkey, the U.S., etc.,

The operative word is CONTINUOUSLY. It is clear to anyone with two brain cells that Israel and the USA are not NOW funding ISIS

I don't know, but I would think any rational person wouldn't keep thowing insults at people who think that the creators of daesh wouldn't just cut all ties to the group without knowing why? It's not like the U.S. government is against murdering people for no good reason, by the millions. 

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