this is very annoying(0.1 sec loss for every premove)

why is the lose of o.1 secs in every premove ,,in other sites if there is dead draw posisition like opp colour bishops or rook pawn endings you can do draw even if u have less than 4 secs ,but here its imposssible,why are the standsrs low?

can you make an actual move in less than 0 seconds doubt it. making premoves take 0.1 seconds instead of no time at all is more realistic.

Time is very important in blitz,Dead draw positions can be won by the person having more time,I totally like this rule cuz otherwise it takes the fun away from blitz!

whats the purpose of premove then? in ICC and playchess it takes 0 secs 

the purpose of premove is to prepare a move while waiting for your opponent to move it doesn't mean it has to be 0 seconds and in my opinion it shouldn't, it should be realistic. you need to give a reason for premove to not be 0.1 seconds for anybody to take you seriously.

If it's 0 sec on ICC and Playchess, then 0 sec are pretty much the standard for online chess, I would say (not that I care, I don't play blitz or bullet).

Normally you'd need a reason for deviating from the standard, not for respecting it. And why should it be "realistic"? And what does "realistic" even mean in the case of premoving?

Premoves take 0.1 seconds off your clock on ICC.

what i mean by realistic is staying true to the way chess is actually played irl. and i feel it should be realistic because otherwise you technically aren't playing chess instead a chess variant that is similar to chess. we come to this site to play chess right?

also Sred your reasoning is flawed the burden is not on the site to provide a reason to deviate from the standard because they have the control, they can do what ever they want, they made it 0.1 seconds the burden is on the people who want things to change to provide a reason that is convincing enough for the people who run the site to change their mind, else you guessed it things stay the same.

You want it to be as in real life? Premoves as in real life???

short answer, yes! because the closest thing to a premove in real life is just a quick move and therefore actually atleast a little bit of time

Due to premoving, internet blitz is already very different from OTB blitz. Your only point so far was that both games should be as similar as possible. So you made a point for abolishing premoves. But once you allow them, thus introducing a factor that doesn't even exist in OTB chess, it no longer makes sense to demand that this new factor should be at least as close to an OTB move as possible. Premoves already changed the game completely, so be it.

With that logic it would make sense to test how fast the fastest otb blitz players can move. I doubt the fastest otb players can move faster than online players, so putting a minimum time required for each move for chess online makes sense? In that case it should probably be closer to 0.2 since I doubt the average otb player can move that fast

I agree with OP, premoves should take 0 seconds just like they do at other chess sites.

thats not my logic, i never said anything about making time proportional to otb chess. and waffllemaster pointed out that the ICC also makes premoves take 0.1 seconds off your clock, so technically it is like other chess sites. dont waste your time arguing with me though it won't accomplish anything.

What bothers me here is that one is unable to claim a draw when there is insufficient material to mate.  On ICC and other sites you can claim the draw, not here.

Why should someone be able to win by time only?  When even if they have infinite time they won't be able to mate.  Thats wrong, just wasting time on both sides until the first runs out of time.  It might take a lot of premoves too.  With pointless checks as to win more time.  I hate it.  That ain't chess.

link me a game where you lost on time and your opponent didn't have mating material. 

the premove time detractions are standard on this site, and what's more it's very logical, as the previous posts have demonstrated. 

@p-wnattack, Put simply I think it should be the same way as other chessites. 0 seconds makes sence to me, but 0.1 is not bad either. I just don't think premoves should be compared to otb at all. It was you who said premoves should be similar to quick moves otb and therefor 0.1 seconds makes sence. That is why I made the comparison with the time it takes to make one quick move.

first of all premoves are not like quick otb moves, quick moves are like quick otb moves. premoves are "lightning" moves, a move made too fast for it to ever occur in an otb game.

thats wrong information,icc takes 0 secs for premove

actually it's right there is a search bar in the icc that allows you to search within the domain of the icc using google. just search premove and the select the first link. it confirms premoves take 0.1 seconds on the icc