Unfair checkmate hint?

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Avatar of AndyClifton

I just noticed that in turn-based play when you make a checkmating move (but before you hit the SUBMIT button), the # sign comes up on the moves record.

Can't this be construed as giving that player a hint?

Avatar of BigDoggProblem

That's why I try out all the other moves before I play mine - just in case the # symbol comes up Innocent

Avatar of GreenCastleBlock

Yes it could.  If you are concerned that this hint could help out your opponent you should probably be playing stronger opponents.

Avatar of AlCzervik

It does seem wrong. But, a player could also use the move in the analyze function, and the # would still appear while no move has been played.

Avatar of NimzoRoy
GreenCastleBlock wrote:

Yes it could.  If you are concerned that this hint could help out your opponent you should probably be playing stronger opponents.

What if you're concerned about not wanting to receive any hints yourself? I am.

Avatar of kco

Good point AC.

Avatar of AlCzervik
kco wrote:

Good point AC.

Do you mean me, or Andy? Shit, do I have to change my name again?

Avatar of NimzoRoy

AC lets watch that potty mouth before I have to wash it out with soap 

Avatar of kco

Yes I meant Andy, I just call you Al.

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NimzoRoy wrote:
GreenCastleBlock wrote:

Yes it could.  If you are concerned that this hint could help out your opponent you should probably be playing stronger opponents.

What if you're concerned about not wanting to receive any hints yourself? I am.

e.g., you play a move you expect to be checkmate, but you notice it's only a + and not a #, then you notice that he has a bishop in your terrority defending the threat backwards?

That is a valid point.

Avatar of MSC157

That's true, but...

  1. Lower rated players should get it to learn maybe something.
  2. Higher rated players should now it's checkmate, so no problem. 

Laughing

Avatar of Irontiger

I find it strange that the people most concerned with that issue are the ones I would the least expect to miss a mate in one. Laughing

 

On topic : is it really a huge issue ? I mean, it's not like beginners are trying every one-move they can before submitting just to check they did not miss the obvious.

Avatar of Ubik42

If you are a premium member, like me, it also notifies you of mate in 2.

Also we get free cookie at the end of the game.

Avatar of Irontiger
Ubik42 wrote:

If you are a premium member, like me, it also notifies you of mate in 2.

Also we get free cookie at the end of the game.

What ? They give you only mates in 2 in marketing ?

 

If you were in the special forum trolling team like me, you would have access to mates in 4, webcam hijacking and controlled mouse-slips.

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They offered us free webcam hijacking, but after looking at our fellow chessplayers a few times, we decided to turn it down. 

Avatar of Irontiger

I agree, cookies remain the best part of the deal.

Avatar of GreenCastleBlock
MSC157 wrote:

That's true, but...

Lower rated players should get it to learn maybe something. Higher rated players should now it's checkmate, so no problem. 

 

Honestly I can't ever see myself missing a mate in one at a time control where I have days to look at a position, but maybe some people play dozens of games at once and make moves one after the other, some people play baked, I dunno.

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GreenCastleBlock wrote:
MSC157 wrote:

That's true, but...

Lower rated players should get it to learn maybe something. Higher rated players should now it's checkmate, so no problem. 

 

Honestly I can't ever see myself missing a mate in one at a time control where I have days to look at a position, but maybe some people play dozens of games at once and make moves one after the other, some people play baked, I dunno.

There are probably positions where I would miss a mate in one if not warned.

But I can not think of a single position where I would consider a move, and still not see it is a mate in one. And that's where the problem is - that's a hint for the very restricted pool of people that can calculate a half-move - but not a full move - ahead.

Avatar of Henryk1

Its all artificial anyway. In "real chess" you don't get analyse or conditional options.I figure its the same for both players so doesn't make any difference in the end.

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AndyClifton wrote:

I just noticed that in turn-based play when you make a checkmating move (but before you hit the SUBMIT button), the # sign comes up on the moves record.

Can't this be construed as giving that player a hint?

Yes, I agree that it is a hint. At least personally speaking, I've used it as a hint before.