Why are Chess Coaches So Expensive

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Coolout I see you are doing the same strawman stuff in threads you did to me.

Try arguing against positions someone actually holds.
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CooloutAC wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:

  But not luck as part of the game design.  

 

This is a true statement.

 

Nothing else you've wrote today is.

wow.....  again,  I accept your concession.  How hard was that?  And again,  this is the wrong thread bud lol.


There was no concession because the point about game design was never disputed.

Luck comes in the way it is played. Beginners should avoid blitz until they understand how to make purposeful moves and can see basic tactics or at least find a checkmate in one.

How many times did White miss a checkmate in one? https://www.chess.com/forum/view/game-analysis/how-beginners-play#comment-64754227

Would you call this a game of skill?

This example contrasts with the blitz play I seek. There skill determines the outcome unless there is a mouse slip.

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is living vicariously….. when I see that huge kids tournaments I think back to when I was a kid if something like this has been available….. I would have felt like I had died and gone to Nirvana or Asgaard!

Chess is so much more popular now it’s ridiculous. I messed up the timing on when to be born.
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CooloutAC wrote:

 

Now you are arguing semantics to try and save face.  Too late.    Getting lucky that your opponent makes a human error is irrelevant.  Saying chess is not a game based on luck, means as part of the game design.  Period.   Which i've said over and over again.  The fact you are arguing this in the wrong thread,  shows how bad you want to troll me personally.    The fact this even has to be said is apalling.   You are a coach disrespecting and demeaning the very sport you are teaching kids is apalling.  All an excuse to put down blitz and low rated players.  Shame on you.

 

Please try to read with just a little bit of comprehension for a change.

Ziryab wrote:

I’m mildly in the affirmative camp regarding chess as sport. However, I must contest the preference for blitz.

At the lower rating levels, blitz chess is 100% luck. Moves are random without purpose. Most players cannot recognize checkmate, and certainly struggle to bring it about.

Consider: https://www.chess.com/forum/view/game-analysis/how-beginners-play

 

 

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Ubik42 wrote:
Coolout I see you are doing the same strawman stuff in threads you did to me.

Try arguing against positions someone actually holds.

 I think "strawman" gives it more credibility than it deserves.

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AntiMustard wrote:

If the coach in question lives in the US, Canada, Western Europe or any other location with comparable cost of living, 30 dollars for an hour of one on one teaching is actually not that much at all. I would imagine it would be on the lower end of the spectrum.

 

That's a fairly typical rate for coaches in some communities, but not for titled players trying to make a living coaching. That rate only screens out clients who are not serious. It does not provide an income to speak of.

I know of a large tutoring company looking for chess teachers. They pay $15 an hour.

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Laskersnephew wrote:

I agree with some--but not all--of your points.

I think eight hours of giving chess lessons each day would be an exhausting, perhaps unsustainable workload. At least if the coach is conscientious. and really works with each student

$30 an hour is about double the minimum wage in the United States, but it's a lot less than what doctors, lawyers, or other professionals make. It's also less than experienced computer programmers, or even private music teachers make.

 

I am sure that you are correct about exhausting part. I was simply trying to say that hourly wise, it is a solid paycheck even for USA. I am very aware that there are better paid jobs out there. As I've said, I am all for people having jobs that they enjoy, and I am all for it for them to be able to have a nice life out of it.



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ActionVolt wrote:

Yea some cost like 30 dollar a hour which is expensive?! You are not elon musk right?

chillax

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meowmeomeo wrote:
ChampoftheCommieCamp wrote:

30? Whut I thought It was like 20 dollars and hour which makes sense... uz 15 dollars is what you get at mcdonalds nowadays

There is a $0.99 cheeseburger in the US, lol

not with the inflation

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because people are willing to pay that much for knowledge that's completely useless in life 0_o
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Savage reply 😂

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nklristic wrote:
Laskersnephew wrote:

$30xhour times five lessons a day = $150. 5x$150 =$750 a week times 50 weeks a year = an annual income of $37,500. In some countries, that's a pretty good income, but in Western Europe or the United States, that is below the median annual income

Correct, though people generally work 8 hours a day, and I would guess that even in the USA a median hourly rate is below 30 $.

The median rate hour rate in the US is $24 an hour, but that also includes insurance.  Including benefits, you're looking at $33.37 an hour as of 2020. 

And, like you pointed out, chess coaching is limited by when you can meet a student, while most adult work is 8 ~ 12 hours a day 4 ~ 5 days a week. 

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CooloutAC wrote:

its like tennis and golf.  Its a rich man's game.   So are the nice  DGT e-boards for home use.

This is the worst comparison... Chess is NOT a rich mans game, at all.

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ActionVolt wrote:

Yea some cost like 30 dollar a hour which is expensive?! You are not elon musk right?

I think that it is cheaper sign as a paid member of chess.com.

Chess.com  gives you chess lessosn for the price of a diamond member. It is 3 USD (United States Dollars) per month.

To my contry, Brazil,  30 USD per class of 1 hour is expensive.

 

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CooloutAC wrote:
nTzT wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:

its like tennis and golf.  Its a rich man's game.   So are the nice  DGT e-boards for home use.

This is the worst comparison... Chess is NOT a rich mans game, at all.

 

Have you seen the price of e-boards?   Its like buying a set of golf clubs or a nice tennis racket and paying for the privilege to play on a court.  Most people never have to pay for a basketball or football coach.  Its free.  They don't even have to pay fees to enter tournaments or play professionally.  Its free.  Someone mentioned homeless people playing chess.  If thats true they probably charge you just for the privilege of playing with them,  like the "hustlers" in the parks of NYC we watch on youtube lol.

People don't need to buy e-boards to play chess, man. 

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CooloutAC wrote:
meowmeomeo wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
nTzT wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:

its like tennis and golf.  Its a rich man's game.   So are the nice  DGT e-boards for home use.

This is the worst comparison... Chess is NOT a rich mans game, at all.

 

Have you seen the price of e-boards?   Its like buying a set of golf clubs or a nice tennis racket and paying for the privilege to play on a court.  Most people never have to pay for a basketball or football coach.  Its free.  They don't even have to pay fees to enter tournaments or play professionally.  Its free.  Someone mentioned homeless people playing chess.  If thats true they probably charge you just for the privilege of playing with them,  like the "hustlers" in the parks of NYC we watch on youtube lol.

People don't need to buy e-boards to play chess, man. 

If they want to get a feel for OTB chess pieces and play with human players at home they do.   Or they could join a chess club and pay the fees to only play there.  And Pay to register in the tournaments.

I mean we only need to buy a cheap board with cheap pieces, and we could play anywhere as long as people accepted the challenge. And some professionals could even play blindfold. We don't need that much money to play chess.

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CooloutAC wrote:

Here is something that will blow your mind and sound controversial,  I bet the prices of those DGT boards are so dam high because they want to keep the game exclusive for high society.  Which is something that has been the case for 100s of years.   It was once literally only the "game of kings".  It wasn't until the 1900s in europe that poor people started playing.

We don't even need a DGT board. Alekhine and Bogoljubow played blindfold in a cell, I've heard.

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In my view, it is pretty cheap to play OTB chess, except having a simple chessboard there is no cost involved, and only one of the 2 people has to have it.

While I was still in my elementary school I played a lot of games, of course none of those were officially rated, but it is still chess.

My grandfather and my father taught me how to play, so I played a bunch of games with them. I played a lot of games with my brother, a lot of games with my classmates and other members of the family (I say brothers, in USA you would say cousins). As for my classmates, we even had our own version of Candidates tournament (we unofficially organized it) where the winner would play the best player from another class who was considered the best player in school. We even made some medals from ply wood. grin.png

If someone wanted to play, there were generally elderly people (some younger ones as well) in parks who always played for free.

In any case, I played tens of games back then, maybe even more than a hundred without paying a dime. happy.png

Now of course, it all depends on how popular chess is in a certain society. In Serbia, team sports are generally very popular, but as far as I've heard, chess is number 3 when it comes to how many people are playing chess for clubs, in tournaments and whatnot.

So generally, chess is easy and cheap to play unprofessionally.

If you want to play official tournaments, of course that stuff costs some money, but here it is not that bad, neither is costly to join a chess club. Coaches are not mandatory to improve as well, it is a bit more difficult, but you can improve yourself plenty without a coach. For instance since my return to chess last year I improved fine, and I have beaten at least one guy who is over 1 500 FIDE (I found his official profile), and I have beaten some people that are realistically stronger than him. 

Now for someone to become a GM for instance, that costs money, especially in the US because you have your own federation and not enough FIDE rated tournaments. But we are not talking about that, we are talking about how much it costs to play chess on any level.

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