Why I refuse to pay for membership.

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Kleyniar wrote:

A little comment here...

Premium members can play multiple games at once (or so it says when I do something that looks like trying to play a second game). That would permit you to start another one while waiting for the other to "reconnect".

A player who disconnects in a long game has 5 minutes to reconnect. It may seem boring to you, but when it happens, you know you would have won. Just take a break, go to the restroom, have something to drink or whatever; if you're like me, you tend to have troubles leaving the screen once you've started playing. Patience is part of chess; being in control of your emotional turmoil also is. Angry players make more mistakes than cold players.

I also remember way more people disconnecting when I had a way lower rating. It's weird to say "improve and it will get better", but it's true. It won't happen in a snap of your fingers, but the lower ratings have those who are new on the site and don't know its policies yet; it also contains those who chronically disconnect.

Little mention; I had an internet problem, something throwing me to another page WHILE I was playing chess, usually right after the first move. Eventually, the site made me "lose" the games when it happens. Those who chronically disconnect DO have that consequence after a while and they learn or they don't.

Playing multiple games at once!? Hahahaha! No thanks. I get my ass kicked enough just playing one game. But in all seriousness, I see where you're coming from. As for the "improve and it will get better bit". That doesn't really help me. Regardless of people DCing or just being general jerk-offs, I'm always trying to improve. That's just a given.

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hisboyelroy wrote:

The bigger problem with this slow chess is that you play computers all the time.  Theer are ways of avoiding it (check members ratings and don't play with people with 1100 blitz ratings and 2000 standard ratings for example) but the easy availability of chess engines has doomed slow online play in my opinion.  It's really too bad as I would enjoy snuggling up with a cognac and a friendly 30 minute game but playing Fritz over the internet is just pathetic (yeah...it's better than me.  So what?)

Yeah. I've been learning how to tell if someone is cheating using a chess program. It's not always easy to catch though. And if you do catch it, there's not really much you can do about it unless you can somehow prove it. As for the low blitz rating and high standard rating, I don't think that is a really great way to assess whether or not someone is cheating. I would think that even great blitz players would do a little bit better in a longer game because they have more time to think about their moves. Less chance for a blunder. But so far, I don't feel like I've run across anybody who was cheating. And if they were then they were using a really crappy program because I generally hold my own against people with similar ratings. 

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golden-hathi wrote:
Chess "used" to be a Gentlemen's game, often it seems social graces are missing. 

Don't believe what history books tell you. The human population has ALWYS had more than its fair share of rude mofo's.

Even in the last 100 years of chess there are plenty of examples of top chess players who could be bigass jerks.

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golden-hathi wrote:
PlayChessNotWar wrote:

Twice in a row already I have had people abandon a game because they were losing. They couldn't just resign and accept their loss with dignity. They have to waste my time. And yet there is no way of reporting these players. The only option for reporting is if you are being harassed. Otherwise, you have to simply sit there and wait for the time to come up in which a message pops up saying that the other play MAY HAVE violated their fair play policy and that their account will be reported. Yeah. Fat chance. In the mean time, my time is being wasted by some chump who is too ashamed to just resign. The one time I brought this up to a member of staff was during a 30 minute game in which the other player refused to move. You know what they told me? Play shorter games. WHAT? There is a reason I play 30 minute games. I'm not a strong enough player to play 10 minute games and I'm crap in blitz. I need time to think about my moves. I admit this and I'm not ashamed of it. Why should I have to play a shorter game because other people don't know how to take a loss? And this is why I will NEVER pay for a membership. Why do I want to pay to have my time wasted? There is no option for reporting these people other than leaving a note on their profile. A whole lot of good that does. If this keeps up, I'll just end up leaving the site completely. Chess.com seriously needs to have an option for reporting people like this on the spot because this is getting ridiculous. The last person I played didn't even have a bad connection. In fact, their connection was better than mine. So that is no excuse.

 

Chess "used" to be a Gentlemen's game, often it seems social graces are missing. As the saying goes, “Gracious in Victory, Humble in Defeat. However I gladly pay for the services and added value which is supplied. But in general on most sites like this we its members are like ships passing in the night and like life nothing is black and white but it has many colors. Everywhere nice and sometimes unpleasant people, we make positive and negative experiences every day, but I dont understand why you bother with a person or person's who irritate you and complain since this only creates more negative energy for yourself. In the end you only demage your own harmony.

Well since we're getting all Buddha-sophical, I'll reply by saying that some people feel like complaining is a good way to expel said negative energy. In fact, after having made that post and seeing all of the monkeys clamor for a chance to (attempt to) insult me (and also those people who were actually helpful), I'm already feeling better about the whole situation. 

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kleelof wrote:
hisboyelroy wrote:

The bigger problem with this slow chess is that you play computers all the time.  Theer are ways of avoiding it (check members ratings and don't play with people with 1100 blitz ratings and 2000 standard ratings for example) 

YOu can cheat just as easily in blitz as you can in long time control games.

Maybe but that has not been my experience.  I don;t even think it is true.  Somehow you need to enter moves from the game into your software and that is easier at 15/10 than 3/0.

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golden-hathi wrote:

Chess "used" to be a Gentlemen's game, often it seems social graces are missing. As the saying goes, “Gracious in Victory, Humble in Defeat. However I gladly pay for the services and added value which is supplied. But in general on most sites like this we its members are like ships passing in the night and like life nothing is black and white but it has many colors. Everywhere nice and sometimes unpleasant people, we make positive and negative experiences every day, but I dont understand why you bother with a person or person's who irritate you and complain since this only creates more negative energy for yourself. In the end you only demage your own harmony.

Thanks for posting this -- I agree completely.  This site, like the internet (and real life) in general, has a varied mixture of helpful and cynical people.  I think this will always be the case since the self-delusional "victory" of upsetting strangers is a such a low-hanging fruit.  So we might as well grow a thick skin and learn to ignore provacateurs and snarky malcontents whose goal is to stir up the negative emotions of others.

To the OP: your point is valid and worth posting, but many will react to your post negatively because it has been brought up so many times before (which is understandable since chess.com does not seem to react in any meaningful or obvious way).

Don't let the juvenile posts discourage you.  Seek out helpful folks and ignore the rest.  The good aspects of this site, including many informative forum participants, still make it worthwhile.

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hisboyelroy wrote:
kleelof wrote:
hisboyelroy wrote:

The bigger problem with this slow chess is that you play computers all the time.  Theer are ways of avoiding it (check members ratings and don't play with people with 1100 blitz ratings and 2000 standard ratings for example) 

YOu can cheat just as easily in blitz as you can in long time control games.

Maybe but that has not been my experience.  I don;t even think it is true.  Somehow you need to enter moves from the game into your software and that is easier at 15/10 than 3/0.

Okie, perhaps not as easy. but certainly not that much more difficult. A little practice is all it would take.

How do you know you have not experienced lots of blitz cheats? 

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I feel like beyond 1600, 1700 rating wise.....chess.com is not a good website to work with. Here's why I don't think ill pay for membership anytime soon.

Adblocker on chrome blocks ads. Lets be real.

There are plenty of youtube videos by the big 3 trio of IMs that produce better videos than what chess.com gives you.

You have chesstempo which is better for tactics.

Im sure you can find something for chess mentor somewhere easily, maybe chessbase software? Idk

Icc has better, more serious players on their servers I feel like (no offense to the players here).

What use is ditching a hundred bucks a year if I can find it for free else where?

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PlayChessNotWar wrote:

Twice in a row already I have had people abandon a game because they were losing. They couldn't just resign and accept their loss with dignity. They have to waste my time. And yet there is no way of reporting these players. The only option for reporting is if you are being harassed. Otherwise, you have to simply sit there and wait for the time to come up in which a message pops up saying that the other play MAY HAVE violated their fair play policy and that their account will be reported. Yeah. Fat chance. In the mean time, my time is being wasted by some chump who is too ashamed to just resign. The one time I brought this up to a member of staff was during a 30 minute game in which the other player refused to move. You know what they told me? Play shorter games. WHAT? There is a reason I play 30 minute games. I'm not a strong enough player to play 10 minute games and I'm crap in blitz. I need time to think about my moves. I admit this and I'm not ashamed of it. Why should I have to play a shorter game because other people don't know how to take a loss? And this is why I will NEVER pay for a membership. Why do I want to pay to have my time wasted? There is no option for reporting these people other than leaving a note on their profile. A whole lot of good that does. If this keeps up, I'll just end up leaving the site completely. Chess.com seriously needs to have an option for reporting people like this on the spot because this is getting ridiculous. The last person I played didn't even have a bad connection. In fact, their connection was better than mine. So that is no excuse.

I understand the frustration, what i dont understand is the "My time is being wasted..."  if you agreee to play a 10 minute game, and your opponet leaves after 5 minutes, you still have to wait to win, just like you would still be playing for that 5 minutes.  So either way, you would still be at that board playing/waiting.  Do what i do...read.

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"How do you know you have not experienced lots of blitz cheats? "

Because I win about the same as I lose and my chess.com 1800 blitz matches up pretty well with my 1900 USCF. 

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InfiniteFlash wrote:

There are plenty of youtube videos by the big 3 trio of IMs that produce better videos than what chess.com gives you.

You have chesstempo which is better for tactics.

This, times a thousand. Wink

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i have not seen anybody cheat in blitz yet, i think chess.com blitz is just actually harder than uscf.

 

another big problem is that there is literally nobody to challenge in 1.9k+ range.

i can only play vs 1800s.

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Chess may be cruel, but chess players needn't be so.

Couldn't agree more.

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KirbyCake wrote:

another big problem is that there is literally nobody to challenge in 1.9k+ range.

i can only play vs 1800s.

Chessdom usually has master-level players hanging around for 5-min and 10-min. The rating distribution there hasn't scattered much; I think you start at 1200, and if you find yourself playing against a 1600 you likely have an IM on the other end.

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I think paying for premium membership on this site is just okay if we consider the benefits which this wonderfull site give to us. Membership isnt so expensive, and almost everyone can pay for it.

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InfiniteFlash wrote:

Im sure you can find something for chess mentor somewhere easily, maybe chessbase software? Idk

Nope, I've looked.  OK you can buy the original software with about half the lessons, but the interface sucks.
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You dont pay a membership because you are a) a babbitt b) a kid whose parents dont allow it.

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BorgQueen wrote:

Why I will always pay for membership:

I hate ads.

I like all the benefits that come with membership.

Membership is very cheap.

said Rockefeller

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I was/am a member of many paid/nopaid chess sites and I ve founded on this site everething I needed. This is one of rare sites which dont forceyou to be a premium member to have chess good time here. I think that supporting this chess site being premium member is just okay.