Could I have won this endgame?

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LogoCzar

Why would the knight vs bishop endgame give white a winning advantage? It seems to me like black has a lot of winning chances there.

ThrillerFan

I saw 26...a5 mentioned. Isn't 27.a4 a simple response to that?  If you want to try to roll the Queen side pawns, you need to play 26...b5 first intending 27...a5.  But then you have to consider both 27.a4 and 27.b4.  Not saying they work or don't work, but both must be considered.

 

Of course, the one person that made the comment that becasuse there are no heavy pieces that it must be as draw and good vs bad or active vs inactive bishops are meaningless without heavy pieces clearly is clueless about chess.  Minor piece ending often result in superiority one side or the other.  If I had to choose a side here, it would be Black, but you can't blitz this position to victory.  Often a critical factor is king placement in minor piece endings.

LogoCzar

It appears that the knight vs bishop endgame would have been great for black.

I saw that during the game, but after it was too late.

I suppose the lesson is to turn off the autopilot, especially at critical moments like exchanging.

BronsteinPawn

Specially on a 45/45 game.

Sit on your hands lol.

Clavius

I had Stockfish 8 play the position analyzing about 17 moves deep and Black's edge remained too small to win at about a 0.3 to 0.4 pawn advantage.  Usually you need a 2.0 or more advantage in evaluation score to be sure of a win.  There is simply no way for Black to pick off one of White's pawns, create a passed pawn or penetrate with the king.

BronsteinPawn

GET AWAY FROM ME. THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE NATURAL KIBITZING.

BronsteinPawn

ThrillerFan is right. The idea of playing on the queenside is correct but a5 is refuted by a4.

You should have played 26...b5 and prayed for the best.

LogoCzar

It's quite clear that black is better in the knight vs bishop endgame, but is there a clear win?
I'm quite curious as to a sample variation/plan that could lead for a win in the knight vs bishop endgame. 

SmyslovFan

I haven't done any analysis of this yet, but it feels like the sort of won position that Belyavsky wrote about in Winning Endgame Technique. The basic plan is to freeze the e-pawn then force White to defend it and create a second weakness on one or both wings. 

LoekBergman

It is a position in which both sides want their pawns on white squares, like your opponent has realized on move 30. The advantage you had is imho disappeared at that time. I would therefor try to get my pawns on white squares and let his pawns be on black squares. In that way I improve my bishop and restrict the use of the bishop of my opponent.

Furthermore should I try to get a majority on the queen side, hence accepting that white has a passed pawn in the center. I consider a passer on the far queen side a bigger threat than a passer in the center.

However I should make the first move on the king side and play 25... h5. I wonder if 25.Kf2 is his best move. Should it not have been 25.g4? It is very difficult for black to make progress on the king side after 25.g4 and it is very difficult for black to penetrate the queen side as long as the pawn on a2 stays at it place. That is why I would play 25... h5.

 

At move 28 I should not answer with d4. If white captures on d5, then is he helping black to get his king in a good position. So, that gives black a free extra move. I think I would have played 28... a5. I would expect white to answer with b3, After b3 could play have continued 29.b3 c4 30.Ke4 cxb3 31.cxb3 a4 and you have your passed pawn. If white would play exd5 then will white help black to improve the position of the black king. That is the move I would not expect.  Therefor do I think that 28.e4 is not the best move for white. If you play a pawn and create a threat to capture a pawn of the other side, then should it be a threat for the other site too.

 

 

BronsteinPawn

Wut lol

CookedQueen

Yes, I think so!

n9531l
ciarli wrote:

endgames are for weak players or weak battles; but if you dont know the endgame you dont know chess!!

ciarli, do you know the endgame?

BronsteinPawn
n9531l escribió:
ciarli wrote:

endgames are for weak players or weak battles; but if you dont know the endgame you dont know chess!!

ciarli, do you know the endgame?

I think he was drugged or something

RubenHogenhout
keisyzrk schreef:

On move 23, I would have played Bxe5.

 

I agree Bxe5 was the best chance for black. With the Knight you can controle the white squares better like f3 and d3. If black can get his king on e4 and block the weak pawn on e3 white can get into trouble. His bishop is weak and black can nicely play his knight round for example to c4. Try to fix the white pawns on the dark squars put your pawns on the white squares and the white squars in Whites camp will be more and more weak and your king get possible a route through his position and pick up pawns.

 

Amplebeee

Kinda looks like a repetitious draw variation. Tho I am impressed by the way you used pawnstructure to move your king around.    

    YOu have a knack for classical variations.    

    

LogoCzar

Nice chat. Exploring together

BeastBoy06
BronsteinPawn wrote:
keisyzrk escribió:

On move 23, I would have played Bxe5.

Are you Carlsen or something? Stop it with the piece imbalances, calm down.

Lmao who does bro think he us. Bxe5 is obviously better like keisyzrk said.

tree55555

On 25th move, you could try to make sure the bishop has a hard time getting out, maybe c4 and b5? I’m only 1700, so correct me if I’m wrong. This would make your pawns mostly on light squares, so even if the bishop does get out, it can’t attack most of your pawns.

champion2031
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