Endgame book suggestions for 1700 FIDE player

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breaker90

Silman's 'Complete Endgame Course' is extremely good. Pick it up.

SmyslovFan

@kindaspongey's extensive quotes and citations will all show that Dvoretsky's Endgame Manual (DEM) is the gold standard for endgame education, but that it's hard work. 

You're 15 years old and 17xx strength. You're old enough and strong enough to know whether you want to spend a great deal of time studying chess. If that's true, get the book. Other books are great too. But this is by far the best single volume of endgame work you will find. 

If your goal was to have an encyclopedia for playing correspondence chess, then you would be better off getting Muller and Lamprecht's Fundamental Chess Endings. DEM is NOT encyclopedic. It is extremely good at distilling most of the endgame fundamentals needed for a 17xx player to reach 23xx if you are so inclined and have the skill. 

 

The other books mentioned here are fantastic. But you're advanced enough to get quite a bit out of DEM. Be aware though, it's a serious book and requires a serious investment of time and energy.

SmyslovFan

Btw, you don't need to go to the publisher's website, go to Amazon for a sneak peak:

 

https://www.amazon.com/Dvoretskys-Endgame-Manual-Mark-Dvoretsky/dp/1941270042/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1529732319&sr=8-1&keywords=dvoretsky%27s+endgame+manual

SmyslovFan
DeirdreSkye wrote:

Try to master fundamental endgames with Dvoretsky's Endgame Manual and then study Shereshevsky's 2 books "Endgame strategy" and Karolyi's "Endgame Virtuoso Anatoly Karpov: The Exceptional Endgame Skills of the 12th World Champion".

    Spend a lot of time and effort in these 4 books, play a lot of tough tournaments and you will be 2200(or even higher) in no time(no time I mean 2-3 years).

 

Have you actually read Endgame Virtuoso: Anatoly Karpov? It is one of the most dense, most difficult books in my library of ~500 books. It's a good book, but it is full of thickets of computer-generated analysis. There is some explanatory text, but that is often less convincing than the analysis which occasionally contradicts the verbal explanations.  It's far less user-friendly than DEM. 

Again, go to Amazon.com for a snippet of the analysis there and compare it to DEM. 
https://www.amazon.com/Endgame-Virtuoso-Anatoly-Karpov-Exceptional/dp/905691202X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1529732672&sr=8-1&keywords=Karolyi+endgame+virtuoso&dpID=511soPSAeaL&preST=_SY291_BO1,204,203,200_QL40_&dpSrc=srch

kindaspongey
SmyslovFan wrote:

@kindaspongey's extensive quotes and citations will all show that Dvoretsky's Endgame Manual (DEM) is the gold standard for endgame education, but that it's hard work. ...

"... before discussing the specifics of Dvoretsky's Endgame Manual [henceforth 'DEM'], a word of warning is in order. I must emphasize that this is a terribly advanced work that I don't think is a very good way for the average player to study the endgame. The majority of the examples are complex and position-specific, and neither the average student nor even strong masters will follow or play over most of the hundreds of positions that are given extensive analysis, not to mention the subvariations derived from those positions. Even when introducing 'the basics', Dvoretsky's approach is often more complex than is necessary for an average student, and in any case such a thick book will seldom be used for the sake of elementary instruction. The majority of the other material is frankly very difficult. So take note: I don't want to be blamed, in praising this book, for your purchasing something that you find intimidating, relatively dull, or otherwise unsatisfying. That said, if you are up to a real challenge and have a great deal of time to devote to reading and playing over examples you will inevitably derive great value from this work. … This is an ultra-high-quality book. But is most of this particularly valuable for players up to 2200, or even 2400? Sure, a thorough study of each example would definitely improve one's understanding, but that's true for any complex position from any book. Perhaps the most accurate conclusion is that the stronger you are the more you will get from DEM. In my own teaching to average players I am still using Mueller and Lamprecht's Fundamental Chess Endings, which has a wonderful balance between Encyclopaedic coverage (I can find almost anything), examples that can be shortened at most points, and clear explanations that bring together endings of the same sort. To me it provides a simpler method for giving students both information and a sense of why they are proceeding as they are. In either case, it seems to me, a teacher's guidance is preferable, but lacking it I would like to see students learning the fundamentals in a systematic and comprehensible way." - IM John Watson (2005)

http://theweekinchess.com/john-watson-reviews/the-end-game-comes-before-we-know-it

"... I'm convinced that Silman's [Complete Endgame Course] will take its place in history as one of the most popular endgame books ever. It has already caught on with the average player in a big way, confirming Silman's status as the king of instructional writers. He writes in a clear and casual style, and time and again has shown the ability to reach those who feel intimidated by the lofty approach that a grandmaster will often take. ... Silman ... defines what he thinks is necessary to know at specific rating levels. For example, the beginner or unrated player needs to know ... Silman's idea is to wait until you climb in strength before you worry about more advanced material. Then, as a Class 'E' player (that's 1000-1199), one must learn ... Silman's book emphasizes to the student that the important thing is to master the strictly limited material at hand, rather than get confused by endings that won't help your results at that level. Perhaps even more importantly, Silman is able to use his teaching experience and talk to his readers in a way that they can handle, in a friendly manner and without condescension. ... I'll also repeat the point that David Ellinger in ChessCafe makes: '[This ...] demonstrates who this book will truly serve best: anybody who coaches chess. For me, as a perpetually near-2000 player who does part-time coaching, I’ve got in my hands a great resource that will have something for every student, no matter the rating.' ..." - IM John Watson (2007)

http://theweekinchess.com/john-watson-reviews/theres-an-end-to-it-all

kindaspongey
SmyslovFan wrote:

... Muller and Lamprecht's Fundamental Chess Endings. ...

http://www.gambitbooks.com/pdfs/Fundamental_Chess_Endings.pdf

SmyslovFan

I don't really disagree with Watson, as I use both books in my coaching.  We aren't talking about an average student, we're talking about a +1700 rated 15 year old. If I were to recommend just one book to him without a coach, it would be DEM. I would recommend FCE as a second book. I would *not* recommend the Karpov book by Karolyi as a third or fourth tho.

 

Watson and I might have a slight difference of emphasis when it comes to a talented junior, I'm not sure. But either book will work. I prefer DEM for its layout. But I use both. The two books can be easily compared at Amazon.

alesjakk

Thanks for all suggestions! I will check out both FCE and DEM!

sadkid2008
alesjakk wrote:

Thanks for all suggestions! I will check out both FCE and DEM!

but will you check out my great thesis on closings? I am planning to use it as my dissertation for my PhD in chess

SpiritoftheVictory

I say get the Silman's endgame book as well as buy premium membership here on chess.com. Chess Mentor lessons alone are worth the money.

aa-ron1235
alesjakk wrote:

Hi!

I am a 15 year old chess player with a FIDE rating of around 1720. I have struggled with endgames, a week ago I had a rook endgame against a Fide Master in blitz where it was a theoretically drawn position, but I lost it. I want suggestions on what books I should get to have a solid endgame knowledge both on endgame theory and practical play that is good enough for maybe 2000 strength FIDE. What is your suggestions?

Thanks in advance!

no way are you 1700 fide

 

sadkid2008
aa-ron1235 wrote:
alesjakk wrote:

Hi!

I am a 15 year old chess player with a FIDE rating of around 1720. I have struggled with endgames, a week ago I had a rook endgame against a Fide Master in blitz where it was a theoretically drawn position, but I lost it. I want suggestions on what books I should get to have a solid endgame knowledge both on endgame theory and practical play that is good enough for maybe 2000 strength FIDE. What is your suggestions?

Thanks in advance!

no way are you 1700 fide

 

? why could he not be 

SmyslovFan

 The advice he sought was specific. If he's not what he claims to be, the advice given doesn't pertain to him. 

sadkid2008
SmyslovFan wrote:

 The advice he sought was specific. If he's not what he claims to be, the advice given doesn't pertain to him. 

I will hang you from a roof

 

because you're a fan hahaha. a smyslov fan.

shubhamjaiswar

if I'm prepared complete Sicilian as black which book I should prefer?

Homsar

I really like Silman's book

 

Silman's Complete Endgame Course

aditya_shri

Try Silman's endgame book and also Dvoretsky's endgame manual. These both books are great combos

Jenium

Silman's book and "100 endgames you must know" are great books. Soltis' "100 Master Trade Secrets" also containts a great chapter on endgames.