Exercises / Example games for Lucena Position and Philidor Position

Hi everybody,

I studied the Lucena and Philidor positions from a book (not enough examples) but applying the knowledge in real games is another story I guess. Can you reccomend any game collections (pgn) that includes utilizing the Lucena/Philidor? Or maybe some chess problems.

How to study the topic of fighting to reach to the Lucena position as strong side. Or defending against it, trying to reach Philidor?

Thanks a lot.

not that, but there is a cd out by  Seirawan and Nikolay Minev.

it has those positions in chessbase format.

I cant remember though how extensiv it is.

I once saw it on amazon.com but for some strange reason i can´t find it anymore

its called practical rook endgames or practical guide to rook endgames