I got this from the shredder table base
hello, need a little help regarding rook vs queen
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The Nalimov tablebase
http://www.k4it.de/index.php?topic=egtb〈=en
gives it as a win in 30, starting with Kb3.[edit Kb4, no-one spotted the deliberate mistake ;)]
This is a good place to learn simple (meaning few pieces, not easy!) endings, and this ending is definitely not easy.
I've been playing this game for twenty years, and I've got no clue either. I guess you try to limit the king's moves so that the rook will have to move away from the king, and then get to setup double attacks or skewers. But it's definitely not easy.
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This is indeed a tough end game. Even I have not been able to crack this one till now.
Here is something that might help you :
http://www.chess.com/video/player/kq-vs-kr
A video of K+Q vs K+R by a GM.
I can watch the entire video only if i upgrade my account? b/c right now i cannot spend any more money on chess
Well, right now i've devised a weird method that is only half helping me improve.
I setup the position on "chessmaster 9000" (got it from a friend a week ago and I barely know how to use it), and also setup the position on "the shredder tablebase" then I look at the position, I think about a few possible move, choose the one that looks best to me + some alternatives using simple calculations, keeping in mind I want to bring the king to the edge and get the king and rook seperate, then I got to the "shredder tablebase" and see where the move (+alternatives) I chose are on the list, if they are on top (and most times they are!) I simply play it, and do the same for the next position. If a different move is considered the best move, I try to figure out why it's better than my moves.
The problems with this so far is, that sometimes I cannot for the life of me, understand WHY a certain move is the best move, and sometimes the move that seems best for me, actually takes the mate away by 10 moves.
any suggestions on how to improve this method?
Until you're a long way more advanced than beginner, you should ignore this ending, you won't need it. Bear in mind your opponents will not defend like a tablebase.
Zugzwang is how this ending is won. I can rattle off several late-stage zugzwang positions apart from Philidor (many are some moves out from Philidor) where White has to lose a tempo. Here's one:
Yes, well, I was getting to the same conclusion myself, and I think for now even the 2 day training of it was enough for me to beat players of my level with queen vs rook.
hopefully next time I'll choose something a little less diabolic.
anyone who's below 1500 would probaly offer draw, I know I couldn't pull it off in 50 moves!
maybe higher than 1500
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I once got this in a tournament game (lucky me). I had the queen though, and I knew it was a win, so I played on. I kept on making progress until I forced rook and king to separate, and they were soon forked. Although I probably didn't play perfectly, the odds are that the player with the rook (he was around 1600 in my game) will make a mistake before the player with the queen. It's very tough to play a perfect defense.
This may sound like a stupid question, but can chessmaster 9000 do the same thing as the "shredder table base"? I would imagine it should but I don't know too much about chess softwares.
Q v R is famously difficult. Grandmaster Walter Browne once lost a bet ... playing a demonstration against some early chess software at a university --Browne bet he could mate the computer in a Q v R ending. He failed.
But there is a memorizeable masterable technique that works, against computers or humans... it's not super difficult although I have not mastered it. There's a basic "starting" position that you can check the King and rook into with intuitive moves -- after that there's a sequence of moves you memorize which forces mate/loss of rook. The sequence is about 9 moves long if I remember correctly. I believe there's a tutorial on this technique for chessmaster (it's where I'm getting my info, and it's all from memory so apologies if I've gotten any details wrong.) If I remember correctly it doesn't ship with chessmaster, it's a user-made tutorial that you can find at Ubisoft's chessmaster site (if they even still maintain it.)
To the original poster: judging after your rating (<1100 blitz), I think that this endgame should not be a priority for you. It is extremely difficult and quite rare.
More simple, are you OK with winning with queen against knight or bishop? Or with basic opposition in king and pawn endgames?
Hi everyone
i'm a beginner chess player and i have decided that as part of my training i will train end games a little every day (in addition to opennings, tactics and actually playing).
so while scouting a different website i saw this end game with the objective to win as white (white to move)
After about 25 minutes of utter failure I decided i'm in over my head, and wouldnt be able to defeat this challenge without some help. I started looking for some sources around the web that would help me, and in fact i did find a video that shows you how to mate with Q vs R only in the video rook and king + rook were at the edge of the board. So again, after about 20 minutes of trying i realized even getting king + rook to the edge of the board was too much for me.
how do you propose i'll learn this endgame?
I'd hate to reach the end with a queen vs rook one day and only get a draw to show for it, maybe theres a good book I can purchase that would help me or maybe a good online source (pefferebly free)?
thanks for reading a noob's topic
Nimrod Weinberg