How can the Black side incease its advantage after White Kc1
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Dianascat
Apr 9, 2022
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Apr 9, 2022
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ChessSBM 写道:
I tried to follow up the engine best moves, and I got this position.
Thank you for your replying.Maybe bishop is a big trouble for me to deal with such a open situation.
Apr 10, 2022
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Dianascat wrote:
ChessSBM 写道:
I tried to follow up the engine best moves, and I got this position.
Thank you for your replying.Maybe bishop is a big trouble for me to deal with such a open situation.
Actually not that much trouble. The knight is for troublesome. If black just tried to be in the light squares, white’s dark bishop will be useless (Not completely useless, but white will have hard time).
Apr 10, 2022
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ChessSBM 写道:
Dianascat wrote:
ChessSBM 写道:
I tried to follow up the engine best moves, and I got this position.
Thank you for your replying.Maybe bishop is a big trouble for me to deal with such a open situation.
Actually not that much trouble. The knight is for troublesome. If black just tried to be in the light squares, white’s dark bishop will be useless (Not completely useless, but white will have hard time).
You are right ,guy.After all i had a mega advantageof pawns.
Apr 10, 2022
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ChessSBM wrote:
I tried to follow up the engine best moves, and I got this position.
Was 5. Qb2 an engine move? It might be the best against a 3500 ELO computer, but after it the position is just lost. White has to keep the Qs on the board in order to have any chance. With Black's K in a precarious position (White threatens mate in 2), against a human I would play 5. Kb1 and hope to swindle at least a draw. Yes, I know that hope chess is normally a bad idea, but White has to take the gamble here. 5. Qb2 gives up without a fight.
Apr 10, 2022
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OldPatzerMike 写道:
ChessSBM wrote:
I tried to follow up the engine best moves, and I got this position.
Was 5. Qb2 an engine move? It might be the best against a 3500 ELO computer, but after it the position is just lost. White has to keep the Qs on the board in order to have any chance. With Black's K in a precarious position (White threatens mate in 2), against a human I would play 5. Kb1 and hope to swindle at least a draw. Yes, I know that hope chess is normally a bad idea, but White has to take the gamble here. 5. Qb2 gives up without a fight.
Thank you for your replying.You mean that Kb4 is a better choice.But,5.Kb3 Qc2 6.Kb4 Qa4 7.Kc3 Qd4 8.Kd4 Then i have a double catching of Nf3 to take W's Bishop.
Apr 10, 2022
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Dianascat wrote:
Thank you for your replying.You mean that Kb4 is a better choice.But,5.Kb3 Qc2 6.Kb4 Qa4 7.Kc3 Qd4 8.Kd4 Then i have a double catching of Nf3 to take W's Bishop.
Not 5. Kb3, but 5. Kb1. I think Black can still win, but it's not simple. White can pose technical problems for Black to solve. A human opponent might not solve them and thus allow a draw. Very interesting position, by the way. And the question you ask -- how can Black increase the advantage -- shows an excellent thought process that will serve you well in chess.
Apr 10, 2022
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OldPatzerMike 写道:
Dianascat wrote:
Thank you for your replying.You mean that Kb4 is a better choice.But,5.Kb3 Qc2 6.Kb4 Qa4 7.Kc3 Qd4 8.Kd4 Then i have a double catching of Nf3 to take W's Bishop.
Not 5. Kb3, but 5. Kb1. I think Black can still win, but it's not simple. White can pose technical problems for Black to solve. A human opponent might not solve them and thus allow a draw. Very interesting position, by the way. And the question you ask -- how can Black increase the advantage -- shows an excellent thought process that will serve you well in chess.
Maybe i can play 3.Ka1 Qc1 4.Ka2 Qa3 to break the cycle ang get three pawns with no barrier.
Apr 10, 2022
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OldPatzerMike 写道:
Dianascat wrote:
Thank you for your replying.You mean that Kb4 is a better choice.But,5.Kb3 Qc2 6.Kb4 Qa4 7.Kc3 Qd4 8.Kd4 Then i have a double catching of Nf3 to take W's Bishop.
Not 5. Kb3, but 5. Kb1. I think Black can still win, but it's not simple. White can pose technical problems for Black to solve. A human opponent might not solve them and thus allow a draw. Very interesting position, by the way. And the question you ask -- how can Black increase the advantage -- shows an excellent thought process that will serve you well in chess.
Wow.If i play it,i will win without a doubt.
Apr 11, 2022
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OldPatzerMike wrote:
ChessSBM wrote:
I tried to follow up the engine best moves, and I got this position.
Was 5. Qb2 an engine move? It might be the best against a 3500 ELO computer, but after it the position is just lost. White has to keep the Qs on the board in order to have any chance. With Black's K in a precarious position (White threatens mate in 2), against a human I would play 5. Kb1 and hope to swindle at least a draw. Yes, I know that hope chess is normally a bad idea, but White has to take the gamble here. 5. Qb2 gives up without a fight.
You got a point there. The position is probably a draw, but maybe if we saved the king from the mate we can win. I am going to check the position later.
All of your comments are based on the erroneous assumption that SF plays strong moves. In fact, in this endgame it plays the most ridiculous moves imaginable. Not weak moves, ridiculous moves as I will explain. The proper play would be 4. ... Qe2+! 5. Kb1 (for the reason given by @OldPatzerMike) Qf1+! 6. Ka2 Qxg2+ 7. Kb1 Qc2+ 8. Ka1 Qc1+ 9. Ka2 Qxa3+! 10. Kxa3 Nc2+! and black has enough pawns!
Why does SF ignore these choices? Well, it's doesn't ignore them, it delays them! It first goes for the repetition moves hoping (how human) you make a mistake by refusing to repeat. When you keep your back straight SF will ultimately play the correct sequence I have given. Q: Why is that ridiculous? A: A human will always be happy to comply with a repetition request since white is obviously worse off. So the whole detour is just a waste of time and demonstrates SF's shortcomings in logical reasoning.