Queen vs 2 connected passed pawns

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Dsmith42 wrote:

Black needs to get the f-pawn to the 7th rank to draw.  Nothing short of that will do.

... See diagram C in post #12 or this position

Black to play, draw

 

or here Black can't get his f pawn to the 7th. rank if White decides against it (even if he's willing to lose in the process) but it's still drawn

White to play, draw

 

and this is a win for Black that could be reached from OP's position with sufficiently bizarre play. (Anything but a White win would require pretty bizarre play by White anyway.)

 

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so you cant win with a queen against connected passed pawns?

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You almost always do, at least if there's only two of them. But sometimes you don't.

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Thee_Ghostess_Lola wrote:

...and i think most 3-pawns vs lone queen end up a draw !...(depending on white king...hasta avoid a checking coronation) 

 

 

According to  https://syzygy-tables.info/ only 8% are drawn, The pawns take another 15% and the queen gets the rest.

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thank you MARS !! gtk happy.png

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Don't mention it.

That's whether the pawns are connected or not of course.

My guess would be that it is still be mostly won by the queen with connected pawns, but that's just based on the fact that the percentage of wins in the two pawn case is virtually the same whether or not the pawns are connected and if you try setting up random positions with three connected pawns on the Syzygy screen they almost all come back as won for the queen.

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maybe this.....

 

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its hard for white to stop via 2...g2. insteada 2...f2

only cuz 2...g2 could lead to a draw (tho much analysis still needed) as black wansta occupy g3 w/ their king and then shuttle. but it doesnt look like a locked fortress...to me a/w.

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But if you're going for the fastest mate 5.Ke4 looks better. (If the Black moves to on the h file there's the threat of mate with the queen on the  h file without taking the pawns and if he moves on the g file the queen takes both pawns. Black's mate with the queen will be shorter the closer his king is if the Black king moves up the board.)

 

In fact best to start with 4.Kd5 instead of 4.Kd3.

 

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Thee_Ghostess_Lola wrote:

its hard for white to stop via 2...g2. insteada 2...f2

only cuz 2...g2 could lead to a draw (tho much analysis still needed) as black wansta occupy g3 w/ their king and then shuttle. but it doesnt look like a locked fortress...to me a/w.

 

You're smoking bad stuff again.

2...g2 loses to 3.Qh2 or 3.Qe1, and EVEN 3.Qg1 wins easily.

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betcha took alotta time to write that one up, dintcha...burst !

hadta make VERY SURE u had e/t juuust riiight...

tryn2get even w/ me are u ?...after y-day ?

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So I checked with the tablebase. You have a choice of Q to  b1, d1, e1, g1, h2 or h7.

As per @pfren e1 and h2 are fastest, g1 needs an extra move. The rest need two extra moves.

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Thee_Ghostess_Lola wrote:

betcha took alotta time to write that one up, dintcha...burst !

hadta make VERY SURE u had e/t juuust riiight...

tryn2get even w/ me are u ?...after y-day ?

 

Dope smoker language is not allowed.

You have to translate it in English- if you can, of course.

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have u READ what theyve been saying abt u at the gotham chess thread ?...ur the court jester over there...lol !

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Thee_Ghostess_Lola wrote:

have u READ what theyve been saying abt u at the gotham chess thread ?...ur the court jester over there...lol !

I could not care less about what they, or a  no-gender anonymous troll like your majesty are saying.

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im thinking abt sending over a olive branch to ur island from mine. havent quite decided if i'll have it delivered by dove or vulture.