kindaspongey wrote:
Asmo2k wrote:
… Doesn't cover the Ruy Lopez though ...
"5 The Ruy Lopez"
Was referring to 'starting out: open games'.
A recommended opening
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Aug 5, 2019
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#23
I disagree with all those saying Ruy Lopez. To unlock it's potential at least a little bit you should be at least 1500.
I'm going to suggest a weird opening, and then a solid opening I believe every beginner should know.
Weird Opening:
This is an extremely little known variation in the Vienna game that is surprisingly sound. It also comes with a trap that has won me a few games against lower rated players:
That's the trap. It will also take your opponents out of theory from move 3, which is always nice.
Also, I recommend you learn the Guicco Pianissimo Canal attack. Search it up.
Aug 5, 2019
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#24
Depends on how much of a "beginner" you are. I play the Italian game as white for a long time, specifically the fried liver attack, until my rating got high enough that nobody would fall for that anymore. After that I moved on to the Ruy Lopez. Which I still mostly open with, after trying some D4 openings I found I was still more comfortable with E4.
MatthewFreitag wrote:
I disagree with all those saying Ruy Lopez. To unlock it's potential at least a little bit you should be at least 1500.
I'm going to suggest a weird opening, and then a solid opening I believe every beginner should know.
Weird Opening:
This is an extremely little known variation in the Vienna game that is surprisingly sound. It also comes with a trap that has won me a few games against lower rated players:
That's the trap. It will also take your opponents out of theory from move 3, which is always nice.
Also, I recommend you learn the Guicco Pianissimo Canal attack. Search it up.
This recommendation is just bad because it encourages bad opening principles. "Soundness" is relative but if black's position is (even slightly) preferable after move 3 then I don't think white's opening choice can be considered sound.
Good beginner openings are those that you can improve in, learn opening principles from and still win games with.
Aug 5, 2019
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#27
Caesar49bc wrote:
I'm asking something u should give proper information.
latadalabanjan wrote:
From white side which opening is better
7 hours ago, most Americans we're either sleeping, or getting ready for bed.
I'm fairly certain Kindaspongey was sleeping 3 hours ago. By now, he's most likely stuck in traffic going to work.
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Aug 5, 2019
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#28
MangoMankey wrote:
MatthewFreitag wrote:
I disagree with all those saying Ruy Lopez. To unlock it's potential at least a little bit you should be at least 1500.
I'm going to suggest a weird opening, and then a solid opening I believe every beginner should know.
Weird Opening:
This is an extremely little known variation in the Vienna game that is surprisingly sound. It also comes with a trap that has won me a few games against lower rated players:
That's the trap. It will also take your opponents out of theory from move 3, which is always nice.
Also, I recommend you learn the Guicco Pianissimo Canal attack. Search it up.
This recommendation is just bad because it encourages bad opening principles. "Soundness" is relative but if black's position is (even slightly) preferable after move 3 then I don't think white's opening choice can be considered sound.
Good beginner openings are those that you can improve in, learn opening principles from and still win games with.
Fair point. I just wanted to show a fun trick that I have often used to score quick wins, and thought the original poster might like to see it.
More importantly, study the italian game for white, and for black maybe try Petrov's and Nizmo-Indian, or ever QGD. Knowing the ideas in each of these openings will benefit you more than memorizing moves.
"Alekhine advised beginners not to play the Spanish game. We also recommend you get some experience first by playing relatively simple openings - the Scotch and Italian games - and only then move on to the Spanish one." - Journey to the Chess Kingdom by Yuri Averbakh and Mikhail Beilin
Not everyone thinks that the complications should deter one from the Ruy Lopez at an early stage of one’s chess career. One book suggests 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bb5 a6 4 Ba4 Nf6 5 d3 as a way to get an easier sort of Lopez.
Aug 7, 2019
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#31
Play what you like. The more you play/study it, the better you will get at it.
But if you play 1.e4, you'll probably end up seeing more Sicilians than anything. Ages ago, I played 1.e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5...and said "I'm playing the Ruy Lopez, what are you doing?"
Aug 12, 2019
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#33
Sai7179 wrote:
why is the Roy Lopez not a good opening for beginners?
Many complications. The Ruy Lopez requires someone who knows how to use the opening. The italian game is more to the point than the Ruy Lopez. Less complications (only really 2 lines to choose from, guicco piano and two knights) and easier to get the hang of and master. The Ruy lopez has many sub lines, and leads to a more complicated, sometimes positional, game.
From time to time, someone has asked, "What is the the best defence against Ruy Lopez?"
https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/what-is-the-best-defence-against-ruy-lopez?
Here are some of the possibilities that I have mentioned:
A Spanish Repertoire for Black by Mihail Marin (2007)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140626195205/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen102.pdf
The Berlin Defence by Igor Lysyj & Roman Ovetchkin (2012)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627104938/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen159.pdf
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/7076.pdf
Bologan's Ruy Lopez for Black by Victor Bologan (2015)
http://www.sjakkbutikken.no/produkter/bologans-ruy-lopez-for-black/
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/9016.pdf
Play 1 e4 e5! by Nigel Davies (2006)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140626201436/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen80.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627083715/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen98.pdf
The Ruy Lopez Revisited by Ivan Sokolov (2009)
http://dev.jeremysilman.com/shop/pc/Ruy-Lopez-Revisited-The-p3765.htm
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/931.pdf
Slay the Spanish by Timothy Taylor (2011)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627040230/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen146.pdf
Grandmaster Repertoire 13 – The Open Spanish by V. Mikhalevski (2013)
http://reviews.dailychess.org/grandmaster-repertoire-13-the-open-spanish-qualitychess-by-v-mikhalevski/
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/7234.pdf
Anti-Spanish. The Cozio Defence by Alexey Dreev (2014)
Playing 1.e4 e5 - A Classical Repertoire by Nikolaos Ntirlis (2016)
http://www.qualitychess.co.uk/ebooks/Playing1e4e5-excerpt.pdf
The Spanish Main Road by Evgeny Solozhenkin (2016)
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/7595.pdf
The Schliemann Defence: Move by Move
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/7797.pdfm
”... many lines are not covered or are only discussed briefly when mentioned. ...” - a review of a 2011 book that set out to help the reader to play the White side of the Ruy Lopez (I am not aware of the publication of another such book since then.)
Aug 17, 2019
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#35
THE Roy Lopez is not a good opening for beginners. The best "first" opening for beginners is the Italian Game.
Aug 22, 2021
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#37
mattchessnoob09 wrote:
@Redrover he is probably 300 elo dont make fun (but roy lopez lol)
i know him from debate, and my username is redrover5317
Queen's Gambit. I've made a study on it here and I made a study on the Indian Defense which is everything else under d4.
For Black, I like the French Defense against e4 especially at the beginner level will put your opponent out of their comfort zone because most people play e5 or c5. Against d4, I like to play the Semi-Slav but it might be too theoretical for beginners but I will leave you the option.
As an alternative, you could try the English Defense with 1...b6 against d4 and c4 with against many beginners they lose a pawn. I can give you a pgn to give you some inspiration
Since you have premium, I would also recommend looking at the English Defense on Chess.com videos where Simon Williams goes in more depth and explains ...f5 break. I will warn you. ...f5 is only to be played at the right moment. It isn't like the London where you can play the same moves and be OK. I learned the hard way.
… Doesn't cover the Ruy Lopez though ...
"5 The Ruy Lopez"