Bullet vs Rapid Ratings

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Mandy82

How come in rapid i do so much better than in bullet even though i see so many people with a 1200 in rapid and a 1800 in bullet? 

Bullet: https://www.chess.com/a/2BGC4ncJzjuE6

Rapid: https://www.chess.com/a/39MFkq4GNjuE6

In rapid i had 99.0 accuracy and in bullet i had 13.8 accuracy.

KeSetoKaiba

Usually everyone does much better in rapid than bullet because more time to think generally means higher quality games. Who are "so many people" with 1200 rapid and 1800 bullet? The few who this is true for probably focus on bullet and never or seldom play rapid, but I can assure you that if someone has 1800 bullet, then I'd expect their rapid rating to be in the ballpark of 1700-2000 given a decent sample size of games. 

Check their profile stats to see how many games they played under those time controls - not just the ratings listed grin.png

Mandy82

Ok

AlphaTeam

I also think that it may have to do with their style of play. I like to play positional, and therefore my bullet rating is 679 (I lose on time a lot), but my rapid rating is 1412. 

Mandy82

In bullet are they such high rating because they win on time and just have a good pc or is it that they are super good at chess? Same with hyper and ultra bullet.

AlphaTeam

I think it is a combination of what you said, and also I know there are specific strategies in how you play the game (that are bad actual chess) but work for bullet chess. Also someone who is great naturally at tactics does better in bullet.   

Xhive24
Mandy82 wrote:

How come in rapid i do so much better than in bullet even though i see so many people with a 1200 in rapid and a 1800 in bullet? 

 

Bullet: https://www.chess.com/a/2BGC4ncJzjuE6

Rapid: https://www.chess.com/a/39MFkq4GNjuE6

 

In rapid i had 99.0 accuracy and in bullet i had 13.8 accuracy.

Lol, literally me, that's because I haven't concentrated on rapid as much for chess leagues

Xhive24
DigitalWarfare wrote:

Bullet and blitz mean absolutely nothing. Getting good at speed chess before you master the long game is just mindless and not how it's ever been done before lol.

Actually, you sort of need to know bullet if you think about it. When the time get's low on the clock, and you have no bullet skills your done for

Mandy82
DigitalWarfare wrote:

Bullet and blitz mean absolutely nothing. Getting good at speed chess before you master the long game is just mindless and not how it's ever been done before lol.

 

 

* sad hikaru nakamura noises. Lol

Mandy82

And sad Andrew tang noises

Mandy82
DigitalWarfare wrote:
Mandy82 wrote:
DigitalWarfare wrote:

Bullet and blitz mean absolutely nothing. Getting good at speed chess before you master the long game is just mindless and not how it's ever been done before lol.

 

 

* sad hikaru nakamura noises. Lol

 

He plays speed chess on here because droolers pay to see it. None of the top players in the world learned chess by playing speed chess before classical. 

I know i was just making a bad joke sry

Xhive24
DigitalWarfare wrote:
Xhive24 wrote:
DigitalWarfare wrote:

Bullet and blitz mean absolutely nothing. Getting good at speed chess before you master the long game is just mindless and not how it's ever been done before lol.

Actually, you sort of need to know bullet if you think about it. When the time get's low on the clock, and you have no bullet skills your done for

 

??? Classical games have a long delay or increment. Bullet is garbage. Period. 

You still need to know bullet even in increments. Not everyone plays 60|60, most often 10-min is what we see, but usually 15|10 is common as we'll. Even in 20 min, when your stuck in a position that you need to think through like a complicated middlegame or endgame you use a lot of time on your clock.  

Mandy82

In bullet i cant think

Mandy82
GBTGBA wrote:
Mandy82 wrote:

In bullet i cant think

Not much thinking required. Let your opponents do the attacking. You just defend defend with very little attacking. See it’s very easy. Today I switched to play like Hippo and  finally I am able to reach to 1500 again. So I will try play rapid to learn how to play the Hippo opening better. Take a break from bullet. 

The hippo is 1. Nh3, right?

Nennerb
KeSetoKaiba wrote:

Usually everyone does much better in rapid than bullet because more time to think generally means higher quality games. Who are "so many people" with 1200 rapid and 1800 bullet? The few who this is true for probably focus on bullet and never or seldom play rapid, but I can assure you that if someone has 1800 bullet, then I'd expect their rapid rating to be in the ballpark of 1700-2000 given a decent sample size of games. 

Check their profile stats to see how many games they played under those time controls - not just the ratings listed

Nope. I'm 1800 bullet, but my rapid is only 1300.

Also, the time controls are inflated compared to rapid. Using komodo10 as an example, the bot's rapid rating is 1243, blitz is 1344, and bullet is 1535. Due to its nature as a bot, komdo10 plays fast and at the same level in all time controls. This proves that one's bullet rating is inflated by about 300 points.

However, this theory that one's bullet rating should be ~300 points above their rapid does not hold up in practice. If everyone were to play at the same level in bullet as in rapid, this might be true. However, people react differently under time pressure, causing some people to have a lower bullet rating than their rapid, and others (like me) to have a lot higher bullet rating.

Nennerb
GBTGBA wrote:

I’m not familiar with Hippo yet. I just joined a Hippo vote chess club yesterday to learn about this opening. I have no idea yet which pawn to move first under what circumstances. I just try to advance  everything to second rank. Then to 3rd rank. 

The Hippo is a solid opening for bullet-- I play it exclusively. The Hippo is not a move order, but rather a system that you set up. I would recommend you start with the Modern Defense (as black) or the King's Fianchetto (as white) and develop toward your queenside. Of course, this is in general terms. There are some situations in which you must adapt. For example, if your opponent has development in the center (sometimes I go against people with four pawns in the center), you have to develop your center pawns and knights before the bishops.

If you want a look at the hippo, you can check my archive. It doesn't work 100% of the time, but you can take down 2000+ rated players with it.

Something you should be wary of is that some people will try to break your pawn structure and infiltrate your defense-- you have to learn how to divert pressure to play the Hippo successfully.

Nennerb
GBTGBA wrote:

Thank you very much @Nennerb for your advices 😀I will study your games. Do you know you are the one who inspired me to learn Hippo opening. I saw you in shameless bullet player thread and asked myself why this guy is 1900 in bullet and I’m 1500 ?? Must be the Hippo opening! Yep I beat a 1900 player today.

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Xhive24
GBTGBA wrote:

I’ll try play at least one rapid game a day while watch TV. I should be able to do it. 

Good idea, but what I've done, is I've grinded bullet, then now I'm griding blitz next rapid

Mandy82

Ill try to get better at bullet

KeSetoKaiba
Mandy82 wrote:

Ill try to get better at bullet

That is up to the player, but if that player is somewhat serious about improving at chess long-term: then it is usually better to stay away from bullet. At the very least, until they really build up their pattern recognition and chess ability for longer time controls. I recommend games at least 10 min. and maybe even 20 or 30 min if your schedule allows it. 

Under these conditions, you'll have a little more time to think, calculate, come up with better moves and so on.

The best speed chess players have a massive advantage over a newer player because they can move super fast and accurately in their "autopilot" because they know so many patterns, have opening theory usually memorized and are great at converting theoretical advantages efficiently such as Queen + King vs King checkmate. It is up to you, but I highly recommend working on chess.com rapid rating before embarking on blitz or bullet if possible. A blitz or bullet game here or there might be okay, but one thing you want to avoid is making that your default and conditioning yourself to move very fast - this is a weakness if you can't adapt to longer time controls and slow down effectively.