Crab Opening - For Beginners!

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HanneloreHunter

What is this????

Sumiohsuba_XTD

What?

Compadre_J
KwanMan2024 wrote:
But that didn’t control the center

It attacks the center with pieces and tries to counter attack the center with pawns at the right time based on what the opponent does. It is how Hyper modern chess plays out.

Compadre_J
Mazetoskylo wrote:
Compadre_J wrote:
magipi wrote:
Compadre_J wrote:

we are talking about beginners.

It is a viable line for them.

Every opening is viable for everyone. That's not a real hurdle.

On the other hand, teaching nonsense to beginners is very bad. Beginners know nothing of chess, so they may easily believe you. If you can't help, at least you should try to do no harm.

I think we have different view points on how to teach beginners.

I think the line I am showing would be from the hyper modern school of learning.

The hypermodern approach involves central control based on pieces rather than pawns, and to make it work rapid piece development is required.

Playing time-wasting nonsense like a2-a4 and h2-h4 is a byproduct of the meta-patzer chess school, and to no other chess trend.

magipi is right reporting that 1.a4 d5 2.h4 e5 3.b3 Nc6 4.g3 is around -2.0 according to an engine. Don't blame it to his broken engine, but rather to your broken brains.

Reading a Chess Engine evaluation in an opening such as this is faulty.

An Engine will not read it correctly at the start.

magipi
Compadre_J wrote:
 

Reading a Chess Engine evaluation in an opening such as this is faulty.

An Engine will not read it correctly at the start.

But in this case, engine evaluation happens to be the same as human evaluation.

No center control + no development + weak structure = losing position.

As Mazetoskylo has pointed out. the Crab is not a hypermodern opening. Hypermodern openings attack the center with pieces. In the Crab, your pieces do nothing, sitting in their original positions while you make pointless pawn moves like a4 and h4.

Compadre_J
magipi wrote:
Compadre_J wrote:
 

Reading a Chess Engine evaluation in an opening such as this is faulty.

An Engine will not read it correctly at the start.

But in this case, engine evaluation happens to be the same as human evaluation.

No center control + no development + weak structure = losing position.

As Mazetoskylo has pointed out. the Crab is not a hypermodern opening. Hypermodern openings attack the center with pieces. In the Crab, your pieces do nothing, sitting in their original positions while you make pointless pawn moves like a4 and h4.

No, the Engine & Human Evaluation are both different from what you & Maze think it is.

I already explained why your miss evaluating this position.

- White will have piece pressure towards the center with the Bishops.

- White will develop.

- White structure is flexible.

I even have screenshot in May saying the engine thought the position was -2.3

Now, Maze comes and says it -2.0.

Your both wrong and I already gave the engine evaluation.

Think screenshot is photoshopped?

Go to page 2 of this thread!

I wrote it on this thread!

Engines suffer from Horizon effects - Engines try to see a position 25 moves ahead which in most cases is enough to give an accurate reading of a position.

In the opening and in closed position, the engine can struggle to fully evaluate a position well enough because sometimes the position requires the engine to look beyond 25 moves which it can’t do. This is why your supposed to play lines out so the engine can reassess the position as more moves get played.

If you actually played out the line, you would see the engine changes its evaluation.

I, literally, played the Crab Line I am talking about against a person using an engine who ended up getting ban for using an engine.

At move 6, the engine evaluation was -0.97 which is less vs. 1 pawn.

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Let’s say for arguments sake I am completely wrong and this line is -2.3 in favor of Black.

How does that change anything?

I’m not recommending this line for advanced chess players.

I’m recommending this line for players below 1,400 which would fall in the Novice & Beginner categories. Do you think players below 1,400 will find a refutation to this line?

I have seen players ranked 1,100 hang their Queens by move 4 giving their opponents -9.0 engine evaluation and your trying to bust my chops over -2.0?

Your not even being realistic!

Furthermore, Novice players & Beginner players don’t need help playing Badly. They do it by themselves all the time.

What I am trying to do is teach the Novice/Beginners to play Badly in a Responsible manner!

If your going to play Bad, you should at least play Bad Responsibly.

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Do you know how many players butcher the Italian Game or London?

Do you know how many players have created forum threads saying they are sick and tired of seeing the same openings all the time.

Just last week or 2 a player said he was quitting the game because all he sees his opponents play is London and the strange part was his win & loss rate wasn’t that bad vs. London players he faced. He was just tired of seeing repetitive stuff.

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So you see the Crab Opening was designed to give players the opportunity to play chess in a different unorthodox way.

It follows the Hyper Modern Chess Principles!

- The line offers very fun & unique chess positions which other lines don’t often have.

- The line has been built as a systems opening designed to allow players the ability to reach the designed set up very regularly. The smooth transition from start to set up gives players a sense of comfort and confidence. Players playing the Crab know no matter what their opponents might throw at them they will at least be able to reach their desired position. Than they can use their experience of the position to out play their opponents!

I did rigorous testing on the Crab opening for several months even against players ranked 2k.

The 1st 6 moves of Crab opening will often get played no matter what the opponent does. The opponent would have to do an outrageous sacrifice in order to stop this humble set up.

- The line has been created with very simple middle game plans.

This allows a Novice/Beginner to transition from Start -> to Opening -> to Middle Game.

A very seamless and smooth transition. I have had excellent reviews by lower ranked players so far. I haven’t had any players who have tried this line feel like the line hurt them in anyway.

In fact, Most players who have tried it have said they felt like they wasn’t lost or confused!

The way the line plays out combined with how I laid out the ideas of the line seem to be working! I am very happy about that to be honest.

magipi

Nobody will read that wall of text. You are clearly trolling anyway.

Compadre_J
magipi wrote:

Nobody will read that wall of text. You are clearly trolling anyway.

If you had no intention to read what another person has to say, It demonstrates you didn’t entire the thread discussion in Good Faith.

A Good Faith individual wouldn’t mind having a healthy back and forth discussion.

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Clearly, your comment wasn’t done in Good Faith.

You intended it to be a 1 sided criticism which is nothing short vs. being insulting/trolling.

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Than you have the nerve to call me a troll?

Maybe, you should think about why you play chess Magipi.

Some of the greatest chess games in history are not engine approved.

Sometimes, Chess is about having fun!

Akhdan120

Thank thou

Compadre_J
Akhdan120 wrote:

Thank thou

Your Welcome!

MochaWave

Reading all of this as a 100 elo player is such a confusing rabbit-hole.

dangerousdu49

Same at 1000 ELO. I can't imagine someone win with this opening. And also how can you get a fun experience when you lose too much

SacrifycedStoat
The crab opening does not control the center or develop knights and it also ruins your safety if you castle.
SacrifycedStoat
The crab opening does not control the center or develop knights and it also ruins your safety if you castle.
MochaWave

I'm 100 elo, and even I say this isn't really practical. I may try it once as a joke, but not unironically.

Mazetoskylo
Compadre_J wrote:
Mazetoskylo wrote:
Compadre_J wrote:
magipi wrote:
Compadre_J wrote:

we are talking about beginners.

It is a viable line for them.

Every opening is viable for everyone. That's not a real hurdle.

On the other hand, teaching nonsense to beginners is very bad. Beginners know nothing of chess, so they may easily believe you. If you can't help, at least you should try to do no harm.

I think we have different view points on how to teach beginners.

I think the line I am showing would be from the hyper modern school of learning.

The hypermodern approach involves central control based on pieces rather than pawns, and to make it work rapid piece development is required.

Playing time-wasting nonsense like a2-a4 and h2-h4 is a byproduct of the meta-patzer chess school, and to no other chess trend.

magipi is right reporting that 1.a4 d5 2.h4 e5 3.b3 Nc6 4.g3 is around -2.0 according to an engine. Don't blame it to his broken engine, but rather to your broken brains.

Reading a Chess Engine evaluation in an opening such as this is faulty.

An Engine will not read it correctly at the start.

You are very funny.

You can see in the screenshot something like "Depth=41" which means 41-ply, AKA 20 moves ahead.

I guess that your next argument will be that the engine had a couple of beers before analyzing. No?

MochaWave

I know I'm not ever playing this opening.

Compadre_J
Wimpydog44 wrote:

I know I'm not ever playing this opening.

Don’t Judge a Book by its cover, Wimpydog.

If you read the entire thread, you will see that I used the Opening myself and defeated dozens of players with it.

I showed several games against players rated 2,000 and still managed to win.

And even when I lose, it was still fun and educational!

Compadre_J
dangerousdu49 wrote:

Same at 1000 ELO. I can't imagine someone win with this opening. And also how can you get a fun experience when you lose too much

I already have dozens of times.

You can see the games on this thread!

I showed wins, draws, and losses.

I have nothing to hide.

The thread is about having fun and being educational.

donbitohh
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