Daily or Rapid( for beginners)

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Guys write in the comments which one is better for beginners? Daily or Rapid? In my opinion, I prefer daily.
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I think you should play what you like but atleast in both you are thinking, not like bullet and blitz

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For me I prefer daily.
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The only thing that would concern me about daily for beginner is that you could easily lose your train of thought between waiting so long between moves and possibly having multiple games going at once. I'd think concentrating on one game at a time without any distractions would be more valuable.

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AngelBishop178 wrote:
Guys write in the comments which one is better for beginners? Daily or Rapid? In my opinion, I prefer daily.

Rapid in my opinion, but like 30-60 minutes, i dont think the difference for beginners is between thinking for 5 minutes or like an hour in daily chess MAX, because they simply need to learn calculation, but thats just my opinion, Daily and rapid are both good to train calculation. If theres 1 thing thats important, NO BLITZ OR BULLET

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Daily absolutely. You need time to consider your moves particularly when new to the game. In addition, Daily offers tools such as Analysis (not same as timed-game Analysis). It's also the only game (AFAIK) that can be specified to allow take-backs which is helpful for new folks learning.

There are additional tools as well but Daily's biggest tool is simply TIME, not only to think about the BEST move but also: go pick your daughter up from school, attend to a sick spouse, take a bio break, go to a job ... and all of life's other things that interfere with being able to play a chess game.

ADDED: Daily Game Analysis lets you move both sides during a game in a 'test scenario' to see what it would look like if your plan played out. It is simply INVALUABLE.

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isolani-d4 wrote:

Daily absolutely. You need time to consider your moves particularly when new to the game. In addition, Daily offers tools such as Analysis (not same as timed-game Analysis). It's also the only game (AFAIK) that can be specified to allow take-backs which is helpful for new folks learning.

There are additional tools as well but Daily's biggest tool is simply TIME, not only to think about the BEST move but also: go pick your daughter up from school, attend to a sick spouse, take a bio break, go to a job ... and all of life's other things that interfere with being able to play a chess game.

i agree, daily is more convenient, but i dont think it helps with improvement as much as a long rapid game, whether a beginner has 1 or 10 minutes to make a move probably wont make a huge difference, because of weak calculation, and you can focus more on a rapid game, it finishes, you can review it, a daily game you dont remember why you made a mistake, because its a week or two back

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ADDED: Daily Game Analysis lets you move both sides during a game in a 'test scenario' to see what it would look like if your plan played out. It is simply INVALUABLE. // Well, thats actually a point i disagree on, it makes you more lazy and less willing to calculate, while convenient, it wont help you become a better chess player, it might make you worse tbh

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HeckinSprout wrote:

The only thing that would concern me about daily for beginner is that you could easily lose your train of thought between waiting so long between moves and possibly having multiple games going at once. I'd think concentrating on one game at a time without any distractions would be more valuable.

People can play Daily Game fast. I do it all the time. BUT ... if you need 30 minutes to decide a move so you don't blunder, you have it, along with all of life's other little distractions (some I mentioned above).

As for waiting and losing one's train of thought ... I go back to my Daily Games repeatedly, considering different things, going over all positions. It's amazing how, letting a game sit for an hour (even overnight) and coming back - you can see the game differently.

The only thing I agree on is not having too many multiple Daily games going at once. The constant switching of which side you play, different configurations, OPs etc ... is quite tiring and difficult. The worse aspect is that you lack the time to properly do your own analysis AFTER the game, before looking at Review and then deep-diving with Stockfish on the game.

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Will_MAkeyoublunder wrote:

ADDED: Daily Game Analysis lets you move both sides during a game in a 'test scenario' to see what it would look like if your plan played out. It is simply INVALUABLE. // Well, thats actually a point i disagree on, it makes you more lazy and less willing to calculate, while convenient, it wont help you become a better chess player, it might make you worse tbh

It is a learning technique. Use it or don't. Nobody forces you to use it. As for making one more lazy, I do not agree at all. Seeing what would have happened if you made a move TEACHES you why that is not a good move. Otherwise, you'd have to test it in real games and then blunder or lose.

Use the tool or don't. Play different types of games. Or don't. Choice is yours.

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isolani-d4 wrote:
Will_MAkeyoublunder wrote:

ADDED: Daily Game Analysis lets you move both sides during a game in a 'test scenario' to see what it would look like if your plan played out. It is simply INVALUABLE. // Well, thats actually a point i disagree on, it makes you more lazy and less willing to calculate, while convenient, it wont help you become a better chess player, it might make you worse tbh

It is a learning technique. Use it or don't. Nobody forces you to use it. As for making one more lazy, I do not agree at all. Seeing what would have happened if you made a move TEACHES you why that is not a good move. Otherwise, you'd have to test it in real games and then blunder or lose.

Use the tool or don't. Play different types of games. Or don't. Choice is yours.

it makes you more lazy to calculate as your used to see a position before it even happens, you dont "learn" from taking the easiest possible way. Also, i like being focused on one game for x amount of time, not clear my head, come back, and waste time thinking" what was i thinking" for example

this was a 94% accuracy 10/0 game by me, i was on top of my game, . my final idea of skewering a trade was planned 4 moves ahead, in a real chess game, much unlike daily, you need to spott patterns and ideas without making moves, you gotta train your visualization, daily for me personally is only for people that dont rly care abt getting better at chess anymore, but just wanna have fun, and thats fine, but it wont get you to a Fide title most likely

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@Will_MAkeyoublunder yeah yeah, we see you're a hotshot - just joined end of January this year, obviously playing for many years. Taking over this thread with your 'brilliance' doesn't impress me, sorry mate.

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isolani-d4 wrote:

@Will_MAkeyoublunder yeah yeah, we see you're a hotshot - just joined end of January this year, obviously playing for many years. Taking over this thread with your 'brilliance' doesn't impress me, sorry mate.

we'v e met multiple times, just the one time i disagree with you im a "hotshot that joined 11 days ago"

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I think it's universally agreed on that blitz and bullet won't improve most people's chess. If only there was a way to know for sure about daily and rapid. I wonder if there's ever been any sort of study or if this is all anecdotal. I would think that you would reach a point of diminishing returns. But who knows. Maybe a titled player or some sort of chess historian will pop in and enlighten us.

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Will_MAkeyoublunder wrote:
isolani-d4 wrote:

@Will_MAkeyoublunder yeah yeah, we see you're a hotshot - just joined end of January this year, obviously playing for many years. Taking over this thread with your 'brilliance' doesn't impress me, sorry mate.

we'v e met multiple times, just the one time i disagree with you im a "hotshot that joined 11 days ago"

"We've met multiple times ..." No we haven't. BTW, if you quote someone, quote them precisely. You did not. And we can disagree on something and that should be fine without getting your ire up, don't you think? :-)

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Daily.

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isolani-d4 wrote:
Will_MAkeyoublunder wrote:
isolani-d4 wrote:

@Will_MAkeyoublunder yeah yeah, we see you're a hotshot - just joined end of January this year, obviously playing for many years. Taking over this thread with your 'brilliance' doesn't impress me, sorry mate.

we'v e met multiple times, just the one time i disagree with you im a "hotshot that joined 11 days ago"

"We've met multiple times ..." No we haven't. BTW, if you quote someone, quote them precisely. You did not. And we can disagree on something and that should be fine without getting your ire up, don't you think? :-)

Weird... well, if i told you my old account name im sure you could recognise me, i just use a Bahamian flag cuz i wanna be Top 3 of a country lol, have a good day

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Using the analysis tool on Daily is the best possible way to improve. Try to play Daily at a fast time limit with someone else who will do so too but will be happy to come back after an hour to see if you've moved. It is a superb way to improve and that goes for relative beginners and advanced players. When I took it really seriously I saw there was a step up when you got to about 2150. Typically players above that at Daily can put in hours over each move. I wasn't prepared to do that because it wasn't making me a better player. In a previous incarnation I reached 2225 both here and coincidentally on another site at Daily. I didn't try to hold that rating though.

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Will_MAkeyoublunder wrote:

Weird... well, if i told you my old account name im sure you could recognise me, i just use a Bahamian flag cuz i wanna be Top 3 of a country lol, have a good day

And ... I'm supposed to KNOW you from that? Someone with different account? And you didn't just change your account name and avatar - this is a new account, correct?

Regardless, we can disagree. I'd probably even like you discussing other topics. I also like Rapid (Classical) so we're not too far apart.

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isolani-d4 wrote:
Will_MAkeyoublunder wrote:

Weird... well, if i told you my old account name im sure you could recognise me, i just use a Bahamian flag cuz i wanna be Top 3 of a country lol, have a good day

And ... I'm supposed to KNOW you from that? Someone with different acount? And you didn't just change your account name and avatar - this is a new account, correct?

Regardless, we can disagree. I'd probably even like you discussing other topics. I also like Rapid (Classical) so we're not too far apart.

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