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Try not to get into lines and variations. Opening principles are sufficient.
Jalex13 wrote:
Try not to get into lines and variations. Opening principles are sufficient.
Does this line have a name? Does this line break or comply with opening principles?
It complies with opening principles (except for taking away from the center) but it’s a solid line. I’m not an e4 player so I can’t tell you the name or any in depth analyzation of it.
Jalex13 wrote:
It complies with opening principles (except for taking away from the center) but it’s a solid line. I’m not an e4 player so I can’t tell you the name or any in depth analyzation of it.
After white goes 5.d3 should black respond by defending the pawn, pin the knight on f3 with the white bishop, or just let white take the pawn on E5 with the knight?
May 26, 2022
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#6
Jalex13 wrote:
Try not to get into lines and variations. Opening principles are sufficient.
The self analysis shows moves like Bd6, Qd6 and even f6
For some reason, I’m not seeing post #6. Just Moonwarrior’s name.
May 26, 2022
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#9
taseredbirdinstinct hat geschrieben:
Jalex13 wrote:
Try not to get into lines and variations. Opening principles are sufficient.
Does this line have a name? Does this line break or comply with opening principles?
It looks like one of the variations of Ruy Lopez (Spanish Opening).
Yes I believe it’s the Ruy Lopez Morphy Defense, exchange varitation. Was running it through the engine
https://www.chess.com/openings/Ruy-Lopez-Opening-Morphy-Defense-Exchange-Variation
Does not look very dangerous. Would play Bd6, Ne7 and f6.
#5
It is the Ruy Lopez exchange Variation.
Yes, this line complies with opening principles.
1 e4 occupies central square e4, controls squares d5 and f5, opens the diagonal for Bf1
1...e5 black does the same
2 Nf3 develops the knight into play, controls central squares e5 and d4
2...Nc6 brings the knight into play, controls central squares e5 and d4
3 Bb5 brings the bishop into play, prepares O-O, undermines control of Nc6 over d4 and e5
3...a6 chases the bishop
4 Bxc6 gives up the bishop's pair to save a tempo and to saddle black with a doubled pawn
Black must capture 4...dxc6, as 4...bxc6 allows 5 d4. 4...dxc6 is away from the center, but opens the d-file for Qd8 and the diagonal for Bc8.
5 d3 is a less played variation: 5 O-O, 5 d4, 5 Nc3 are played more often.
5 Nxe5 does not work because of 5...Qd4 or 5...Qg5.
Rozentalis has played 5 d3 several times.
Now e5 is under attack and black must defend it in some way.
5...Bd6, 5...f6, 5...Bg4, 5...Qf6, 5...Bc5 (indirect defence: 6 Nxe5 Qd4), 5...Qd6 are all possible.
Here is an example:
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1711849
Jalex13 wrote:
Try not to get into lines and variations. Opening principles are sufficient.
Anything that goes up to move 6 counts as the opening, some opening lines and variations are just ways of showing how to complete an opening, while others extend into lines of play that involve the middle game.
The lines that I am focusing on stick to lines within the opening, as well as enquiring upon whether or not they break opening principles. I'm just trying to develop a simple repertoire to follow as well as learn examples of what constitutes as opening principles in order to understand them in practice.
tygxc wrote:
#5
It is the Ruy Lopez exchange Variation.
Yes, this line complies with opening principles.
1 e4 occupies central square e4, controls squares d5 and f5, opens the diagonal for Bf1
1...e5 black does the same
2 Nf3 develops the knight into play, controls central squares e5 and d4
2...Nc6 brings the knight into play, controls central squares e5 and d4
3 Bb5 brings the bishop into play, prepares O-O, undermines control of Nc6 over d4 and e5
3...a6 chases the bishop
4 Bxc6 gives up the bishop's pair to save a tempo and to saddle black with a doubled pawn
Black must capture 4...dxc6, as 4...bxc6 allows 5 d4. 4...dxc6 is away from the center, but opens the d-file for Qd8 and the diagonal for Bc8.
5 d3 is a less played variation: 5 O-O, 5 d4, 5 Nc3 are played more often.
5 Nxe5 does not work because of 5...Qd4 or 5...Qg5.
Rozentalis has played 5 d3 several times.
Now e5 is under attack and black must defend it in some way.
5...Bd6, 5...f6, 5...Bg4, 5...Qf6, 5...Bc5 (indirect defence: 6 Nxe5 Qd4), 5...Qd6 are all possible.
Here is an example:
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1711849
5Nxe5 is a standard opening variation, it does work, although black is supposed to bring out the queen as an inbetween move and recapture the pawn and possibly exchange a knight too, it is considered to be pretty aggressive and possibly on the more dynamic side, though.
“it is considered to be pretty aggressive and possibly on the more dynamic side, though.”
no, it’s just bad for white.
InsertInterestingNameHere wrote:
“it is considered to be pretty aggressive and possibly on the more dynamic side, though.”
no, it’s just bad for white.
Prove it.
-gives up the bishop pair needlessly
-white cannot castle
-black has better control of the center
+engine and this is well known
I think white’s desire is to trade off into a winning endgame where black cannot create a passer because of the doubled pawns.