Fianchetto Openings to Learn?

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1Ladiesman
What are some Fianchetto Openings that are highly recommended for beginners?
Hyper-N0va
Beginners shouldn't be playing Fianchetto openings they should be play openings where you control the center with pawns
Fr3nchToastCrunch

If you're truly curious, the King's Indian can work pretty well if you know what you're doing.

hellofromotherside1234

Hi

Compadre_J

Kings Indian Attack & Defense

sonseungwanrv

Glek system

Chess147

The best system is to fianchetto a bishop on the diagonal of the castled enemy king which may sound obvious but I see opponents who fianchetto a bishop after I have castled which is facing the opposite diagonal of my king. Doing that doesn't make any sense so key to a fianchettoed bishop or any other tactic is to have a plan behind it.

I very rarely fianchetto a bishop as white but have started a new opening for black where a bishop gets fianchettoed but it's to assist castling rather than lining up future checkmate opportunities.

Compadre_J
Chess147 wrote:

The best system is to fianchetto a bishop on the diagonal of the castled enemy king which may sound obvious but I see opponents who fianchetto a bishop after I have castled which is facing the opposite diagonal of my king. Doing that doesn't make any sense so key to a fianchettoed bishop or any other tactic is to have a plan behind it.

I very rarely fianchetto a bishop as white but have started a new opening for black where a bishop gets fianchettoed but it's to assist castling rather than lining up future checkmate opportunities.

What you said isn’t true.

However, I understand why you would think the way you do.

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The main reason people Fianchetto are for defensive reasons.

When you Fianchetto, it makes your King Safer.

From Defensive point of view, your King is safer because you have committed an extra piece near your King for better defense.

The above is what a Normal Castled King looks like

The above is what a Fianchetto King looks like.

You have extra Defender which makes your King safer and requires your opponent to use more pieces to beat your King.

The downside is you have 1 less attacker.

You have more Defense, but less Offense!

Some of the Best Fianchetto lines in game are Defensive + Positional.

- Catalan

- Closed Sicilian

- Gruenfeld

They keep the King Safe and Attack the center with their Fianchetto bishop.

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If people Fianchetto the opposite way, It has the opposite effect.

It can help increase their Offense, but it reduces their defensive capabilities.

White can have more Offensive with above set up, but it is trade off. They lose defense.

Chess147
Compadre_J wrote:
Chess147 wrote:

The best system is to fianchetto a bishop on the diagonal of the castled enemy king which may sound obvious but I see opponents who fianchetto a bishop after I have castled which is facing the opposite diagonal of my king. Doing that doesn't make any sense so key to a fianchettoed bishop or any other tactic is to have a plan behind it.

I very rarely fianchetto a bishop as white but have started a new opening for black where a bishop gets fianchettoed but it's to assist castling rather than lining up future checkmate opportunities.

What you said isn’t true.

However, I understand why you would think the way you do.

————————

The main reason people Fianchetto are for defensive reasons.

When you Fianchetto, it makes your King Safer.

From Defensive point of view, your King is safer because you have committed an extra piece near your King for better defense.

The above is what a Normal Castled King looks like

The above is what a Fianchetto King looks like.

You have extra Defender which makes your King safer and requires your opponent to use more pieces to beat your King.

The downside is you have 1 less attacker.

You have more Defense, but less Offense!

Some of the Best Fianchetto lines in game are Defensive + Positional.

- Catalan

- Closed Sicilian

- Gruenfeld

They keep the King Safe and Attack the center with their Fianchetto bishop.

———————————

If people Fianchetto the opposite way, It has the opposite effect.

It can help increase their Offense, but it reduces their defensive capabilities.

White can have more Offensive with above set up, but it is trade off. They lose defense.

You started your post with "what you said isn't true" implying I am incorrect and then you continued to elaborate on precisely what I said - Fianchetto for defensive not offensive purposes but above all know WHY you are placing the bishop there. Don't put it there because you see GMs doing it. That's my point and at my elo it's a valid one.

Compadre_J
Chess147 wrote:
Compadre_J wrote:
Chess147 wrote:

The best system is to fianchetto a bishop on the diagonal of the castled enemy king which may sound obvious but I see opponents who fianchetto a bishop after I have castled which is facing the opposite diagonal of my king. Doing that doesn't make any sense so key to a fianchettoed bishop or any other tactic is to have a plan behind it.

I very rarely fianchetto a bishop as white but have started a new opening for black where a bishop gets fianchettoed but it's to assist castling rather than lining up future checkmate opportunities.

What you said isn’t true.

However, I understand why you would think the way you do.

————————

The main reason people Fianchetto are for defensive reasons.

When you Fianchetto, it makes your King Safer.

From Defensive point of view, your King is safer because you have committed an extra piece near your King for better defense.

The above is what a Normal Castled King looks like

The above is what a Fianchetto King looks like.

You have extra Defender which makes your King safer and requires your opponent to use more pieces to beat your King.

The downside is you have 1 less attacker.

You have more Defense, but less Offense!

Some of the Best Fianchetto lines in game are Defensive + Positional.

- Catalan

- Closed Sicilian

- Gruenfeld

They keep the King Safe and Attack the center with their Fianchetto bishop.

———————————

If people Fianchetto the opposite way, It has the opposite effect.

It can help increase their Offense, but it reduces their defensive capabilities.

White can have more Offensive with above set up, but it is trade off. They lose defense.

You started your post with "what you said isn't true" implying I am incorrect and then you continued to elaborate on precisely what I said - Fianchetto for defensive not offensive purposes but above all know WHY you are placing the bishop there. Don't put it there because you see GMs doing it. That's my point and at my elo it's a valid one.

You wrote 2 paragraphs in your original post.

The first paragraph of your post was wrong.

The second paragraph of your post was you talking about how you rarely play Fianchetto lines with white.

I believe you that you probably don’t play a lot of Fianchetto lines with white which makes your second paragraph truthful and correct.
Half of what you said was incorrect and half of what you said was correct.

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You were incorrect in your first paragraph because the “best system” is the opposite of what you said.

The Best Fianchetto lines in the game currently Castle on the same side their opponents do.

Most of the time White will Castle Kingside + Fianchetto Kingside + Black will Castle Kingside.

or

White will Castle Kingside + Black will Castle Kingside + Fianchetto Kingside

Multiple main lines are exactly like above and those lines are considered to be the best Fianchetto lines in the game.

- Catalan

- Closed Sicilian

- Grunfeld

All those Fianchetto lines above have been played by World Championships + have been played in World Championship games for the highest of stakes.

You could argue the Kings Indian Defense should be in the list as well because it was played by World champions.

Was the KID used in a World Championship game? I think it was, but can’t recall.

However, it doesn’t matter because most main lines of the KID don’t have opposite side castling.

There might be a few lines which do, but most of them are on same side (Kingside).

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Now that I am thinking about it has the Nimzo Larsen ever been in World Champion games?

I remember Emmanuel Lasker Worlds #2 Chess Champion if I’m not mistaken using the Nimzo-Larsen with devastating effects.

In Fact, I remember an Immortal Game by him which featured 1 of the most amazing games ever played in chess history.

I don’t think it was a World Championship game. I think it was tournament game, but it’s been many years since I seen that game.

If you have never seen that game, you should check it out. It had a double Bishop sacrifice.

It was the most amazing attack I had ever seen.

The finishing move was also insane.

Gave up his Queen at the end.

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Anyway, It’s fine.

We all make mistakes - you will get their.

GeneralSubutai

Try the [EDIT-4K] inappropriate opening for more wins 🫡

Chess147
Compadre_J wrote:
Chess147 wrote:
Compadre_J wrote:
Chess147 wrote:

The best system is to fianchetto a bishop on the diagonal of the castled enemy king which may sound obvious but I see opponents who fianchetto a bishop after I have castled which is facing the opposite diagonal of my king. Doing that doesn't make any sense so key to a fianchettoed bishop or any other tactic is to have a plan behind it.

I very rarely fianchetto a bishop as white but have started a new opening for black where a bishop gets fianchettoed but it's to assist castling rather than lining up future checkmate opportunities.

What you said isn’t true.

However, I understand why you would think the way you do.

————————

The main reason people Fianchetto are for defensive reasons.

When you Fianchetto, it makes your King Safer.

From Defensive point of view, your King is safer because you have committed an extra piece near your King for better defense.

The above is what a Normal Castled King looks like

The above is what a Fianchetto King looks like.

You have extra Defender which makes your King safer and requires your opponent to use more pieces to beat your King.

The downside is you have 1 less attacker.

You have more Defense, but less Offense!

Some of the Best Fianchetto lines in game are Defensive + Positional.

- Catalan

- Closed Sicilian

- Gruenfeld

They keep the King Safe and Attack the center with their Fianchetto bishop.

———————————

If people Fianchetto the opposite way, It has the opposite effect.

It can help increase their Offense, but it reduces their defensive capabilities.

White can have more Offensive with above set up, but it is trade off. They lose defense.

You started your post with "what you said isn't true" implying I am incorrect and then you continued to elaborate on precisely what I said - Fianchetto for defensive not offensive purposes but above all know WHY you are placing the bishop there. Don't put it there because you see GMs doing it. That's my point and at my elo it's a valid one.

You wrote 2 paragraphs in your original post.

The first paragraph of your post was wrong.

The second paragraph of your post was you talking about how you rarely play Fianchetto lines with white.

I believe you that you probably don’t play a lot of Fianchetto lines with white which makes your second paragraph truthful and correct.
Half of what you said was incorrect and half of what you said was correct.

—————————

You were incorrect in your first paragraph because the “best system” is the opposite of what you said.

The Best Fianchetto lines in the game currently Castle on the same side their opponents do.

Most of the time White will Castle Kingside + Fianchetto Kingside + Black will Castle Kingside.

or

White will Castle Kingside + Black will Castle Kingside + Fianchetto Kingside

Multiple main lines are exactly like above and those lines are considered to be the best Fianchetto lines in the game.

- Catalan

- Closed Sicilian

- Grunfeld

All those Fianchetto lines above have been played by World Championships + have been played in World Championship games for the highest of stakes.

You could argue the Kings Indian Defense should be in the list as well because it was played by World champions.

Was the KID used in a World Championship game? I think it was, but can’t recall.

However, it doesn’t matter because most main lines of the KID don’t have opposite side castling.

There might be a few lines which do, but most of them are on same side (Kingside).

—————————

Now that I am thinking about it has the Nimzo Larsen ever been in World Champion games?

I remember Emmanuel Lasker Worlds #2 Chess Champion if I’m not mistaken using the Nimzo-Larsen with devastating effects.

In Fact, I remember an Immortal Game by him which featured 1 of the most amazing games ever played in chess history.

I don’t think it was a World Championship game. I think it was tournament game, but it’s been many years since I seen that game.

If you have never seen that game, you should check it out. It had a double Bishop sacrifice.

It was the most amazing attack I had ever seen.

The finishing move was also insane.

Gave up his Queen at the end.

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Anyway, It’s fine.

We all make mistakes - you will get their.

You're certainly not a coach and since when did single line sentences become the norm? It makes reading the material a chore.

Compadre_J

@Chess147

I use to coach people, but I stopped coaching.

What does being a coach have to do with anything?

I prefer single sentence format vs. paragraph format when talking on an informal chess forum.

I think it makes the comments more clean + helps reduce forum errors.