GM Within 6 months?

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Marie-AnneLiz

In 6 months you should have a realistic goal like getting here to 1800.

That make more sense and it's already pretty hard.

Very few could even get to 2000 here in their life time.

62-Polymath
magipi wrote:

Wait, how does ChatGPT come into the picture at all? It's a language model, it knows how to make nonsensical but good-looking texts, but it knows next to nothing about chess. I don't get it.

Sorry you believe that but you sure are missing out of using ChatGPT for any kind of research that you are doing. It knows about everything that has ever been written on the internet but yes it is AI and in it's infancy so every once in a while it does make mistakes, mis-types something, etc. So you do have to be on your toes and fact-check it but truthfully you should be fact-checking EVERYTHING that you are taught whether from ChatGPT, a college professor, police, ANYONE. NEVER take anything at face value. When you are giving "an opinion" from someone else be sure you verify it with numerous other sources so at least you have a common base of belief from others and you're just not standing alone of your own opinion.

62-Polymath
The_Fpawn wrote: Reasura wrote:

All chatgpt does is cheat in chess. If you play against chatGPT in chess, it will suddenly have pieces from a different dimension or literal hacks to bypass through walls to do a checkmate by literally just killing the king.

In this case, you just need to specify the rules of chess and what legal moves are, and/or just telling it if a move is invalid and if it needs to try again. It knows full well what chess is and how it's played, its up to you as the user and "teacher" to tell it what to do with that information.

I DO NOT play against ChatGPT. I use it to ask it questions and it gives me answers. I then ask it what is it's source for that info and I go verify the information through other sources. There are a lot of replies about ChatGPT and obviously these are from people who are not too familiar with what ChatGPT actually is and how it works.

Understand that I will be covering ALL of this on my YouTube channel because if you all are confused and wondering about ChatGPT on learning things from it "I just using Chess in this example" but a lot of other beginners will be confused also. So I will be covering how I'm using ChatGPT fully because a beginner will use it often and it's a big help as far as rapid learning. But there still needs to be effort on your part too. So don't think being lazy and unmotivated will get you anywhere. You know where that will get you? Homeless!

GYG

If a 62 year old made a thread about going from beginner to 1000 in 6 months, it would be acceptable to reply politely explaining that it is far beyond the realm of possibility and never going to happen.

When a 62 year old makes a thread about going from beginner to GM in 6 months, the ONLY correct response is mockery. When you behave disrespectfully, you should expect people to be disrespectful towards you. I don't know why some people are posting seriously in this topic.

darkunorthodox88
62-Polymath wrote:
GYG wrote:

The only downside is that you risk looking like an ignorant and disrespectful fool in the eyes of everyone who understands at least a little bit about the game.

I respect your opinion as most people are probably in the same camp and I totally understand. But I have accomplished quit a bit already in my 62 years. I was a high school drop out but joined Mensa. I've been on a very popular Blackjack Card Counting team, I have 14 YouTube channels that I run myself, etc. The key giveaway in my name here is "Polymath"

But I'm not here to debate the point or anything just to hopefully bring a buzz to the game and bring some new players into that thought it might be above there heads or something. The same thing you mentioned about me failing is what a lot of beginners friends and family tell them straight up. "You're going to try and be a good chess player?" You're crazy, you're not even going to be a decent player let along a good one. I'm sure they've heard it all. Negativity and people failing to believe in themselves is a world problem IMO!

polymath...joins mensa XD
polymaths are too busy tackling math problems i cant even describe or getting knee deep rich working for rocket scientist hedge funds or hackin nasa for fun at 16 to post in chess.com.
your youtube channels, and poker club dont cut it

Whiggi

So when/where do you plan on playing?

magipi

I think 62-Polymath should pursue some more realistic goal.

For example, building a spaceship in your shed and flying to Mars in 6 months is more realistic.

SulfurRing
I am interested in your journey, wish you the best of luck
GMegasDoux

I wish you luck in becoming the strongest chess player you can be in six months. GM strength is unlikely, chess is a spacial awareness game. Top players visualise the adjusting patterns of pieces and pawns on the board to find the best configuration of moves favourable in game. This relies on a highly developed visual cortex neural net. In effect your brain builds the path over years of predominately thinking about chess positions nearly every waking hour. No language based program will teach you in 6 months what the active brain building exercise of patern building and recognition from playing, thinking and evaluating positions will do. If you already have experience in memory systems like peg system or mind palace, you might super impose chess learning on top of this, but it is not the same as the long term training. If you get over 90th percentile in 6 months then that will be an achievement in its own right, if you are a complete beginner.

62-Polymath
Emily wrote:

This goal is almost as unrealistic as becoming the richest man in 6 months, but you know what, you only live once, so do whatever crazy things you want

Yes, I fully agree with you and if more people would read ALL my responses they'd know that I realized that but it's not really for lack of my ability to do it it's because you only get rated in sanction tournaments and there's just not enough tournaments within 6 months to reach that rating. See I originally though that chess.com was the site that the rating was earned from and I could play chess online for as long as I want, and I'm retired so I could play all day everyday if I wanted and that's a lot of games. But this is not the case I found out.

So yea now, because of COVID and all, I know there's a lot of people hurting today and having a little extra income would surely be nice if they're able to learn chess good enough to make money playing online. I have been playing online poker for some years and was a professional gambler for about 5 years playing on a Blackjack Card counting team. I bet sports and thoroughbred racing too. Most of this is because I can't play casinos games because I'm in the Blackbook with the Gaming Commission and not allowed to. I have a video up covering all this, my background, etc on my channel before I get starting showing people my learning journey and how I go about learning.

But thank you for your reply and I appreciate your thoughts on the matter. All though it's pretty much the sentiment of most people.

TheChessGuitarist09811
GYG wrote:

If a 62 year old made a thread about going from beginner to 1000 in 6 months, it would be acceptable to reply politely explaining that it is far beyond the realm of possibility and never going to happen.

When a 62 year old makes a thread about going from beginner to GM in 6 months, the ONLY correct response is mockery. When you behave disrespectfully, you should expect people to be disrespectful towards you. I don't know why some people are posting seriously in this topic.

Tyler1 is on the road

62-Polymath
Daddy_Chillimao wrote: 62-Polymath wrote:

I know. It's a bold statement but also a long story on how I got to this challenge which I can't cover here. But I'm posting this for all the beginners out their that are having problems learning chess and understanding all the learning material, YouTube channels, advice, books, etc out there and feel they'll just never be good at chess and giving up.

When I took this challenge I wanted more rewarding than just having a rating or title so I decided to "give back" or contribute, if you will, to the game and hopefully bring new people into it. Now this isn't for intermediate or advanced players. This is beginner to beginner advice, experiences, etc. I'm not really teaching I'm just showing people how I will be learning chess completely on my own "and ChatGPT" and reaching the highest level in the game in the shortest amount of time. I to all the beginners reading this "it doesn't really matter to me who believes it or not here" the only one in this universe that needs to believe it is YOU! Or me "in this case" but you get the point.

But for me to do this I have started a YouTube channel to document my progress and a Discord for all beginners. Well anyone really but hopefully it will be mostly a beginner community.

Anyway, hope to play against you all here soon. At the moment I'm go through as much studying for the first two weeks of me getting started. So around Nov 15 or so I should be ready to begin playing.

Levy started chess at 6. It took him 10 years to get the nm title. He is not even a gm now. So that's not possible. It took over 6+ hours to become a gm in chess.

Well just takes a little research and reading on the internet and you'll find that information is all over the place for this. Such as Sergey Karjakin becoming a GM as the age of 12. When did he actually start playing chess? At age 6, 9, 10? Who knows you'd have to search to find an official verifiable age, but the 12 years and 7 month to become GM for him is pretty documented. There is no Guinness World Record for such an event so no way really to know for sure. As with A LOT in chess things are left to assumptions.

But check out YouTube, blogs, etc and you'll find there are teenagers out their playing that "supposedly" have a rating over 2000 so what age did they seriously get involved in chess? Well their teenagers for one so there's only a limited possible number here "like Sergey above" we know it probably wasn't age 1 - 5 at the very least "could be, again assumption though" but one things for sure is sure isn't a life time, 15 years, 25 years, etc because he wasn't even that old. So yes, while this is an interesting topic for a debate that's about it. As far as it being "impossible" that is totally unverifiable. Just because something hasn't been done before doesn't mean that it's "impossible" Going to the moon use to be considered impossible but apparently it wasn't. Just no one has ever done it didn't mean it wasn't impossible.

MervynS

1) Calculation and visualization is what you really need...I think this chess.com video on YouTube will give you an idea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-zlFDcjVwA

2) You need three GM tournament performance norms at regular time controls to attain the grandmaster title...these high level tournaments to get these norms are not common, maybe they happen once a month in the world?
3) 2200 players usually beat me easily...but I've played enough FM 2300 players to notice that the FM 2300 players are quite a bit more incisive. Every 100 points in the FIDE ratings above 2200 is a very big jump in playing strength.
4) Instead of using ChatGPT, I'd suggest paying for a Chessbase membership.
5) You really have to know your openings the higher you go (over 2100 maybe?)...quick losses can happen with any small slip in an opening at high levels.
6) Need to know endings and middlegames inside out first before really putting hard effort into openings.
7) There is not enough time to play over-the-board rated tournaments at standard time controls constantly and to study at the same time. A six round standard time control tournament takes an entire weekend.

Chess_Player_lol

@62-Polymath With your goals it is important to get advice from stronger players too. I've recently created a discord server that will be a meeting ground for both strong and weaker players and I think you will greatly benefit from joining it. It is small now but hopefully over time it will grow a lot bigger.

https://discord.gg/dEpZWsV3BM

Martin_Stahl
62-Polymath wrote:

Well from what I'm discovering is that all I can do is get my knowledge and skill level to the highest I can get it because GM is more determined on the amount of tournaments and even if I was an absolute perfect 100% players it still couldn't be attained I'm finding out because there's just not enough games in 6t months to earn the rating.

So I'm might have to go about attaining GM in the quickest time allowable by tournaments available per year. Which does bring up the point of why really have a rating in the first place? It cost more money to do all that traveling, hotel, etc in expenses than anyone is probably going to make from tournament prize money won. I checked the tournaments for 2024 and it seems a rating is more about judging the level of someone's play compared to your's than it is about being GM. Personally, I don't see the point of it except for just prestige.

I don't know right now. This is all new to me but this is what I'm getting from my research. I mean if I was younger and striving to be an NFL, NBA, MLB, Golf player, etc I could see that much more because the monetary reward is there for that.

So what is my final take on attaining GM? It is an interesting endeavor which can involve travel, accommodation, entry fees, and other expenses I mean what are you really getting out it. And forget about all those at the entry and lower levels were earning money to help your endeavor will probably be out of reach for the most part.

All that's left really is doing it for passion, personal growth, achievement & prestige, and pure enjoyment of playing chess. There could be sponsorships and such but that would only be a very select few. Maybe I could fall into that category if I was to do as good as I expect, who knows?

Anyway, If you read this far thank you for reading the diatribe on chess and I hope you gained something from it or at least enjoyed it.

The rating part isn't actually that hard, at least initially if someone was strong enough before they begin playing rated events. You find a large open event, preferably rated under US Chess and FIDE (if your flag is accurate). Play in the Open section and if you are good enough, you'll likely have a chance to play some master players and get a initial high rating if you can win draw those games.

If you can get to that point, with an initial high rating, repeat.

That all said, assuming you can do it, you would be breaking a lot of records. Fastest rating increase, oldest age to get to a title, etc. A player that isn't very strong by their teens, is very unlikely to ever reach titled status, let alone GM. Starting even later it's highly unlikely, regardless of any other abilities or talents one may have.

62-Polymath
Chess_Player_lol wrote:

@62-Polymath With your goals it is important to get advice from stronger players too. I've recently created a discord server that will be a meeting ground for both strong and weaker players and I think you will greatly benefit from joining it. It is small now but hopefully over time it will grow a lot bigger.

https://discord.gg/dEpZWsV3BM

I will probably join today to check it out. I appreciate your nice reply but also see you're over a 2100 player. I've been getting decent DM's from Experts, Masters, etc. Naturally I answer them and a couple have been pretty interested in my rapid learning theories and wanted to chat. And this is only because of some of the things I was talking about and explaining to them they knew that normal beginners don't talk about these things usually and so thought I was pretty interesting to talk to. They also wanted to make sure I wasn't a shill or anything and I told them feel free to check me out. There is A LOT about me on the internet but nothing in chess. Most of it in security (ethical hacking, bug bounty, security researcher, malware reverse engineer, software vulnerabilities, etc)

But, I have 14 YouTube channels so I belong to A LOT of Discord channels. If you're channel isn't very active I won't stay long and this is just a simple time management and space thing for Discord. I can only have so many Discord servers that I can effectively manage and 14 of them are my own. So yea, space is limited.

Bramblyspam

This is what happened when a polymath went up against Magnus, after a month of training.
Max Deutsch mastered eleven other skills in his "month to master" project. He's undeniably an impressive guy. But at chess he still hung a piece right out of the opening.

62-Polymath
angryspacevoid wrote:

can you even play enough OTB to even be a GM in 6 months? i think thats literally impossible

You probably should have read the whole post and it was have saved you from white your one liner.

62-Polymath
Bramblyspam wrote:

This is what happened when a polymath went up against Magnus, after a month of training.
Max Deutsch mastered eleven other skills in his "month to master" project. He's undeniably an impressive guy. But at chess he still hung a piece right out of the opening.

He's an "obsessive learner" not necessarily a Polymath. He didn't learn "more liked" memorized a 52-card deck and that's it. I'm an ex Blackjack card counter and I DO NOT have the deck memorized "because there's no advantage in it" each card is assigned a numeric value and you simple add and subtrack that value every time you see a card played and if your value is plus or minus at any point that tells you whether the cards left to be played are favorable or not to a particular hand decision you might be thinking about making. So knowing to "count cards" gives you the ability to beat the game of Blackjack. Not just have the deck memorized which really doesn't accomplish anything except you've committed the deck to memory in a very short amount of time.
I'm in the process of being a polyglot also "someone who is communicative in multiple languages". I'm on a goal to learn 32 at this level and already know 22. Most of which I've learned over my 24 years of being an independent security researcher and dealing with studying malware. So I'm familiar in the languages that are from countries where there's a lot of hackers from on the internet such as China, Russia, India, Pakistan, Iran, etc.
So yes, while being an "obsessive learner" is cool and all there's really nothing of significants that you can accomplish from it really. Nice article though thanks for the read.

AhSheet

It's definitely possible. Chess is too easy anyway: https://www.chess.com/forum/view/community/chess-is-too-easy