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Habanababananero

And actually since you were talking in terms of WITHIN 6 months, you should actually reach your goal already during April since April is the 6th month since you posted, And May will be AFTER six months, not WITHIN. June is even later.

62-Polymath
Habanababananero wrote:

And actually since you were talking in terms of WITHIN 6 months, you should actually reach your goal already during April since April is the 6th month since you posted, And May will be AFTER six months, not WITHIN. June is even later.

Well, this is for over the 100th time now, I've already learned the "6 month GM goal" is impossible but apparently people don't read a whole post. They read the title then go to the last page and make there post as it their post is the first one. Interesting!

But, my reason behind the post in the first place, is that I believed that I could get good enough to hold my own again GM's within 6 months but I can't even get a GM to play me.

So, I'm going to go directing GM to his post on there YouTube channel "in comments" and see if there will be any takes on the challenge. I seriously doubt it though because none of them really read their comments. But well see what happens.

Habanababananero
62-Polymath kirjoitti:
Habanababananero wrote:

And actually since you were talking in terms of WITHIN 6 months, you should actually reach your goal already during April since April is the 6th month since you posted, And May will be AFTER six months, not WITHIN. June is even later.

Well, this is for over the 100th time now, I've already learned the "6 month GM goal" is impossible but apparently people don't read a whole post. They read the title then go to the last page and make there post as it their post is the first one. Interesting!

But, my reason behind the post in the first place, is that I believed that I could get good enough to hold my own again GM's within 6 months but I can't even get a GM to play me.

So, I'm going to go directing GM to his post on there YouTube channel "in comments" and see if there will be any takes on the challenge. I seriously doubt it though because none of them really read their comments. But well see what happens.

I was only pointing out that your timeframe has changed and you are giving yourself more time here than 6 months. I am aware you have changed your goal from becoming a GM to just playing at a level where you can beat a GM at least once in 8 days or so. My point is you should be trying that in April, if you want to prove you are able to do it within 6 months. If you do the challenge in June, you are talking about within 8 months (not within 6 months) as you started studying in beginning of November.

As you say you are a polymath and have been a part of a Black Jack card-counting team, it should be fairly easy for you to count six months from when you posted this thread...

maafernan

Hi!

You can become a GM in six months if you are already an IM with two GM norms, and you are going to play in a GM-level OTB tournament before June and achieve the required score to obtain your last norm. And you have to be rated 2500+ to apply for the GM title. This is the normal path.

By the way, chatGPT wrote when I entered OP title question: "There is no definitive answer to how long it takes to become a GM, as it depends on many factors, such as your starting level, your learning methods, your coach, your motivation, and your opportunities to play in strong tournaments. However, most GMs take several years, if not decades, to achieve this goal. "

Good luck!

62-Polymath
maafernan wrote:

By the way, chatGPT wrote when I entered OP title question: "There is no definitive answer to how long it takes to become a GM

That might be true, but I have learned that it CAN NOT be done from a beginner level because there just isn't enough tournaments, OTB qualifying games, norms, etc in a 6 month period for you to become a GM. So it has absolutely nothing to do with none of what you said, motivation, ability, coach, etc because there's just not enough games to do it.

I NEVER said I was a rated player, such as an IM or anything. I specifically said I was a beginner. I know how the pieces move and have played chess a few times in my life but that's about it.

Granted, after the amount of studying I have done sense signing up for chess.com, I have learned that chess is much more interesting that I thought. So, that's a good thing.

Khnemu_Nehep

So, that's just a huge troll or something ?

magipi
Khnemu_Nehep wrote:

So, that's just a huge troll or something ?

Yes.

I just checked, the opening post was made more than a month ago. Anyone who was even half serious about studying chess wouldn't just skip the first 25% of those 6 months and do nothing.

GYG
62-Polymath wrote:

That might be true, but I have learned that it CAN NOT be done from a beginner level because there just isn't enough tournaments, OTB qualifying games, norms, etc in a 6 month period for you to become a GM. So it has absolutely nothing to do with none of what you said, motivation, ability, coach, etc because there's just not enough games to do it.

This is probably even more offensive than the original post, since it implies you've actually given some thought to the possibility of becoming GM strength in 6 months, and still not realized why it's impossible.

V_Awful_Chess
Khnemu_Nehep wrote:
62-Polymath wrote:
ChoTsubaki wrote:

Why not?Go for it.LOL

Oh I am. Come Jun 22, 2024 I going to start challenging GM's to a game and I will win at least one game before the end of Jun (that's only 8 days to accomplish the goal.) I only have two GM friends and they won't take me up on it for the simple fact that I've put out that I have two GM friends and they don't want that to be a negative thing for them because of my "mostly" unpopularity here on chess.com which I totally understand. No hard feelings, were still friends.

But "IF" there will be any GM's, come Jun, that want to take me up on the challenge then just let me know in message. I do want it to be verifiable so the game must be live on YouTube on my channel. I have changed my channel name back to "62-Polymath" and just made a new channel for the one that was there specifically for this purpose.

I mean I understand if no GM's want to take up the offer just because I'm a new person to the scene, looking to build my channel, not known in the chess community "expect for a negative vibe" I do understand. But the challenge is there for any takers.

And don't bother contacting if you are not a GM because after all that is the whole point of the challenge. I can't officially gain the GM title within 6 months "that has already been hashed out numerous times here" but I can at least prove that I have gotten good enough to beat a GM after 6 months of studying. That much IS possible. And not just from me but from anyone that is dedicated enough.

So get studying all you beginners.

It's called delusion of grandeur. You can get help. You can get out of this.

Considering how you lose to a 1200 bot here:
https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/computer/95420809?tab=review&move=55I think your other games were made using an engine.
You don't even capitalize on the bot's blunders, fail to see threats, etc.
The review suggests you're 200 elo
So yeah. It's not like you're at a 2000+ level without much practice. You're a beginner that will never ever be a master, especially considering the age at which you are starting.

I was one of the people he played in one of his games.

I highly doubt he has been using engines jn any of his games.

In his game against me he blundered a lot. I blundered quite a bit too, but he blundered more so I won.

At the time he was saying he was mostly reading a lot of books before launching into games. This would probably explain any odd modes of play noticed by higher-rated players: it would mean he had the knowledge but not the practical "sight" to avoid blundering.

If since then he's been practicing with as many games as he said he had on Lichess or whatever, it would make sense if he quickly improved.

As for his ambition, it still seems overly ambitious but it's much less ambitious than the original challenge.

Even GMs blunder every now and again. If in his last few weeks he repeatedly challenges GMs eventually one of them might blunder a rook or something and his job will be much easier.

In any case, I don't really see anything wrong with an extremely ambitious goal.

If he fails (by far the most likely outcome); no big deal, no-one's harmed, he just spent a few months playing intense chess. He's retired so it's not as if he's harming his career or anything.

If he succeeds it'll be a first, but someone has to be first.

62-Polymath
nathan1600elo wrote:

Not possible.

But you could aim for 1600 in 6 months.

See, that's the problem with setting a goal because you end up putting a limit on your goal. I don't like artificial limits. My limit "is MY limit" meaning that it's the best "I" could possible do.

I did another "outrageous challenge" that started in Jun 2018 that I couldn't become a billionaire within 15 years which would be by Jun 2033 and it also has it's own channel. That's goal is going along pretty well right now.

On Oct 4, 2022 that channel and everyone following it had to be moved to a private membership site because YouTube ended up banning some of the topics I was making videos on. This is because, "like my chess learning journey" it was a channel that was documenting my journey to becoming a billionaire because I knew a lot about them as I spend about 18 years studying them as an independent security researcher so I knew a lot how them, their lifestyle, business strategies and practices, banking, economics, investing, etc. and after being notified by a new people and talking with YouTube I found out that some of my videos were on subjects that certain people didn't want to be public knowledge.

Unlike my chess videos, which I'll probably start posting sometime This week, was reaching over 100 views with a week of posting them. Otherwise nothing would have happen to those videos if they didn't get too much exposure. But investing, day trading, cryptocurrency, is very popular topics on YouTube.

The videos that had a problem were the ones that was coving shadow banking, L/S Portfolios, CFD's, Dark Pools, but the biggest problem I had with a few of my videos was when I got talking about forex trading.

This is because forex trading is different from the other investing routes (stocks, bonds, ETF's, treasuries, etc.) The main players in the forex market are banks, financial institutions, hedge funds, and a few other I shouldn't mention here and retail investors "which are YOU if you trade online."

I could go further but most people are probably bored, those that didn't like me hate me more now, etc, etc. So I'll stop my digression here. I just wanted to let those who are interested in my promoting chess know that this is not my first rodeo into a controversial topic tied to YouTube. This will be the third time I have done this and the other two times have been pretty successful. Now am I due a fail? Possibly, seeing this IS the third time, and three could be a good number of bad number "for those into numerology, or even gematria" but again those are another digression so I'll stop here.

For those who read the whole post I hope you were entertained. For the others that didn't read at all, or just the last paragraph, I expect some response proving they didn't read the whole thing.

Khnemu_Nehep

Dude, get help. Drugs are bad okay ?
No one hates you, we just don't care about you lol. You're not famous. Stop being delusional.
100 views he said cryi'm dying here lol

62-Polymath
Khnemu_Nehep wrote:

Dude, get help. Drugs are bad okay ?
No one hates you, we just don't care about you lol. You're not famous. Stop being delusional.
100 views he said i'm dying here lol

Don't worry dude, there is only about 3 people on this whole threat that will probably a subscriber to the channel when I get videos posting. I'm writing and recording them right now and will be uploading soon.

By the way I have 14 channels in total so don't judge just on one channel. None are have a regular upload schedule but I have followers none the less. And there's no schedule because YouTube is a hobby right now. It is NOT how I make a living. I've been self-employed "working solely online" for the past 26 years so that work comes first THEN I get to play.

If you want to see one of my other channels, this one is on Blender "because I've been a 3D model, VFX and motion graphic artist for about past 6 years using Blender and Daz3D. Also the industry I make about 85% of my income in I can't show because it's a banned topic here and most other places but you can get an idea of you visit my Blender Channel.

Ethan_Brollier

Has anybody brought up the statistic of there being a grand total of 0 GMs who began playing chess after the age of like 15 or something like that?

magipi
Ethan_Brollier wrote:

Has anybody brought up the statistic of there being a grand total of 0 GMs who began playing chess after the age of like 15 or something like that?

Yes, but that statistic is almost completely unimportant. On the list of "Why it's impossible" starting age barely makes it into the top 10.

62-Polymath

Well, just for you all here, I just finished playing my first game here in awhile after spending a lot of hours in my book studying and analyzing with chess.com's Analyze here.

Definitely an improvement in my game but not the best overall. I have an unorthodox say of thinking which doesn't look good on paper but it's the end result that matters.

Just figured I'd let everyone here know because there are a few people here that obviously have analyzed my previous games. So now you have a new one to look at.

62-Polymath

Ok everyone. I have came up with a goal "some will say impossible AGAIN!" but it's not. And even if I don't do it someone else will do it in the future or maybe it's already been done, who knows? None one really because no one has spent the time to research it.

But, while GM is definitely out of the question, what isn't is getting to 2500+ here in chess.com. This is definitely a goal for any serious chess players that's just starting out "probably NOT within 6 months" but nevertheless a goal none-the-least.

So, here is the new goal for here, and that will be to have a rating "on chess.com" of over 2500 by May 1, 2024. Now this thread was started on Nov 1, 2023 so from then to May 1, 2024 is exactly 6 months.

So that would mean that my challenge that I would beat a GM in 6 months, this challenge will begin after May 1, 2024. So anytime in the month of May 2024 I just need to be a GM. Shouldn't be possible for a beginner that's only been playing for 6 months to accomplish!

So forget all the arguments, negativity, etc and lets just see where everything stands May 1st 2024. And if there are any GM's who are takers on the challenge.

GYG
62-Polymath wrote:

lets just see where everything stands May 1st 2024.

Ok. We will see. My guess is that if you work very hard you may reach a rating of 800 in 10 min rapid by May next year.

62-Polymath
GYG wrote:

My guess is that if you work very hard you may reach a rating of 800 in 10 min rapid by May next year.

Your going to loss that before the end of this month because I'm already at 700!

62-Polymath

Another update guys/gals. Now I can't give names but just answered a message from an IM that told me that just reading books isn't enough to learn in the time frame that I need to. He said "you need to actually play, a lot" and get that actual experience. I answered him and figure this would be good for any beginners that are following this threat "which I seriously doubt" but here goes. This might be a little long but maybe informative to beginners who are serious and tired of hearing the same instructions. Nothing wrong with that learning the basics are definitely required but I'm on a time crunch remember. Time isn't on my side until after May 2024.

This I totally agree with and I told him normally you would be right and I'll do that after May but right now I have to prepare "just in case a GM takes up my challenge" and there's one thing I don't want if that ends up being the case.

That is "A LOT" of my games published here where a GM can get a very in-depth idea of my play "probably much quicker than he would analyzing another GM he has to play in a tournament" but truthfully they should have a pretty good handle on all the top players by now because it's about all the really play on a regular basis.

But here's what I told him, and he found it pretty interesting.

I have a very good memory, and I have a custom program that I use for memorization. It's a programs that will give you the puzzle, question, etc and you think of the answer then hit enter and flip it over to see if you got it right and it keeps track a lot of stats on which ones you got right and wrong, how many times, how much spent on each one, etc. And I have used chess.com's Analysis to setup all the openings that I wanted to learn (72 of them) and I put them into this flip program and I have memorized about 58% of all the openings so far. So I will have them all memorized by the end of this month. AND YES, I realize this isn't going to get me to 2500 too, so don't bother mentioning it and showing how lazy you are by not reading!

The whole hypothesis to this is that "from what I have seen on most games on YouTube, Twitch, etc" is that the games always start out with some opening strategy "up to a certain point" sometimes early in the games sometimes later, but at some point the players "or one player" has left the opening and is now playing "out of the box" if you will.

This is 'critical thinking' area of play here because now there either reactionary playing, or have a plan in their head "again, until there opponent doesn't something THEY didn't expect" and now both players are in this "critical thinking" area of play. We are not to middle game yet "or at least there's no open files or anything signifying such, but this is the area where you can really evaluate a persons playing ability, critical thinking, problem solving, etc.

All my books told me that I should analyze my game, and others, by analyzing there opening, middlegame, and endgame? I don't think so, at least not for me. I think I'd get more insight into analyzing how they play in this "out-of-the-box" area at the opening and then there late middlegame, and finally there endgame.

Because, at least in all the games I have analyzed, there is always chaos in the beginning "when players either don't use opening strategy, and have left open strategy "and at some point you have to" because to good players following there openings "fully" usually never reaches the end because of something the other player did that was unexpected and this is where players get behind on the clock.

Now, if I can put a much better player than I into this area of "behind in time, compared to me" I could go for winning on time and even stalemate.

I could go on further because there is much more but I'll cover it in a video but I think beginners should be able to get to gissh of it. I don't expect experienced players to get it and probably lash out and that's fine. We are all free to have our opinions. This is how I'm doing things. No one else has to follow it, just sharing my opinion that's all.

magipi
62-Polymath wrote:

I have used chess.com's Analysis to setup all the openings that I wanted to learn (72 of them) and I put them into this flip program and I have memorized about 58% of all the openings so far. So I will have them all memorized by the end of this month.

This is not necessarily the dumbest part of the whole comment, but certainly the funniest.