How do you find moves when there is nothing to do that seems good?

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Cookies124

I'm sometimes confused when sometimes you get in a situation in where you are in a position were moving any piece could be good or bad.

WSama

This might help:

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/game-analysis/how-do-you-find-a-good-move-in-calm-positions-where-there-are-no-obvious-moves-to-play

avensis18

Hi, thank you very much for sharing the link it's really ineteressent.

 
RussBell

A forum thread with a similar theme......

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/game-analysis/how-do-you-find-a-good-move-in-calm-positions-where-there-are-no-obvious-moves-to-play?page=1

santiagomagno15

if you dont know what to do improve your pieces, they will help you later

Bottelhus

to develop the pieces

Cookies124

thx

IMKeto
Cookies124 wrote:

I'm sometimes confused when sometimes you get in a situation in where you are in a position were moving any piece could be good or bad.

I looked at some of your games.  Your time would be better spent working on the basics. 

Follow opening principles.

Double check your moves.

Work on tactics.

Ask yourself after each move:  "What is my opponent trying to do?"

Ask yourself: "Are my pieces safe?"

Asparagusic_acids
Here nbd4 with nxd4(if black moves the bishop to e4 nd2 is strong) nxd4 nxd4 be4 f3 bd5 bxd5 cxd5 nc6 re8 nxe7 rxe7 white is better becuase of the outside passed pawn.

 

Cookies124
IMBacon wrote:
Cookies124 wrote:

I'm sometimes confused when sometimes you get in a situation in where you are in a position were moving any piece could be good or bad.

I looked at some of your games.  Your time would be better spent working on the basics. 

Follow opening principles.

Double check your moves.

Work on tactics.

Ask yourself after each move:  "What is my opponent trying to do?"

Ask yourself: "Are my pieces safe?"

its because its bullet chess, most of the time so i get completely blanked

kindaspongey

Here are some reading possibilities that I often mention:

https://www.chess.com/article/view/how-to-play-positional-chess

https://www.chess.com/article/view/test-your-positional-chess

https://www.chess.com/article/view/do-you-really-understand-positional-chess

https://www.chess.com/article/view/get-ready-to-test-your-positional-chess-again

https://www.chess.com/article/view/can-you-pass-this-positional-chess-test

https://www.chess.com/article/view/how-to-calculate-long-term-advantages-in-chess

https://www.chess.com/article/view/learning-basic-pawn-structures

https://www.chess.com/article/view/learning-pawn-structure-for-chess-players-under-2000

https://www.chess.com/article/view/your-pawn-structure-is-your-friend

https://www.chess.com/article/view/more-pawn-structures

Simple Attacking Plans by Fred Wilson (2012)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708090402/https://www.chesscafe.com/text/review874.pdf
https://dev.jeremysilman.com/shop/pc/Simple-Attacking-Plans-77p3731.htm
Logical Chess: Move by Move by Irving Chernev (1957)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708104437/https://www.chesscafe.com/text/logichess.pdf
The Most Instructive Games of Chess Ever Played by Irving Chernev (1965)
https://chessbookreviews.wordpress.com/tag/most-instructive-games-of-chess-ever-played/
Winning Chess by Irving Chernev and Fred Reinfeld (1948)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708093415/https://www.chesscafe.com/text/review919.pdf
Back to Basics: Tactics by Dan Heisman (2007)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708233537/https://www.chesscafe.com/text/review585.pdf
https://www.chess.com/article/view/book-review-back-to-basics-tactics
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5856bd64ff7c50433c3803db/t/5895fc0ca5790af7895297e4/1486224396755/btbtactics2excerpt.pdf
Seirawan stuff:
https://seagaard.dk/review/eng/bo_beginner/ev_winning_chess.asp?KATID=BO&ID=BO-Beginner

https://web.archive.org/web/20140708090229/https://www.chesscafe.com/text/review492.pdf
https://www.nystar.com/tamarkin/review1.htm

https://web.archive.org/web/20140708092617/https://www.chesscafe.com/text/review560.pdf

50 Essential Chess Lessons by Steve Giddins
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708100833/https://www.chesscafe.com/text/review534.pdf
https://www.gambitbooks.com/pdfs/50_Essential_Chess_Lessons.pdf

Amateur's Mind by Jeremy Silman
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708094419/https://www.chesscafe.com/text/ammind.pdf
https://www.silmanjamespress.com/shop/chess/amateurs-mind-the-2nd-edition/

Simple Chess by Stean

https://web.archive.org/web/20140708104258/https://www.chesscafe.com/text/review400.pdf

https://store.doverpublications.com/0486424200.html

kindaspongey

"... Sure, fast games are fine for practicing openings (not the most important part of the game for most players) and possibly developing decent board vision and tactical 'shots', but the kind of thinking it takes to plan, evaluate, play long endgames, and find deep combinations is just not possible in quick chess. … for serious improvement ... consistently play many slow games to practice good thinking habits. ..." - NM Dan Heisman (2002)

https://web.archive.org/web/20140627052239/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/heisman16.pdf

CorporateChessGuy

Hi all, I stream chess for 1200-1800 Rated players,I solve tactics, plays with viewers, puzzle battle wth CM's, bltiz games too. Do checkout and Drop me a follow on twitch.tv/corporatechessguy if you like it. Lets learn Play and grow together!Happy to help! :) :) Just send with a Fdz request on chessdotcom and let's get started!

Asparagusic_acids
CorporateChessGuy wrote:

Hi all, I stream chess for 1200-1800 Rated players,I solve tactics, plays with viewers, puzzle battle wth CM's, bltiz games too. Do checkout and Drop me a follow on twitch.tv/corporatechessguy if you like it. Lets learn Play and grow together!Happy to help! :) :) Just send with a Fdz request on chessdotcom and let's get started!

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Cookies124
kindaspongey wrote:

"... Sure, fast games are fine for practicing openings (not the most important part of the game for most players) and possibly developing decent board vision and tactical 'shots', but the kind of thinking it takes to plan, evaluate, play long endgames, and find deep combinations is just not possible in quick chess. … for serious improvement ... consistently play many slow games to practice good thinking habits. ..." - NM Dan Heisman (2002)

https://web.archive.org/web/20140627052239/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/heisman16.pdf

cool and k

SwimmerBill

If there are really no good moves (meaning only bad ones) you can play a waiting move [I've been in positions where I had to move king back & forth and just wait].

  Usually "no good moves" means no tactics where you get an immediate advantage. Then you can look at strategic moves that create a possible weakness or slowly build to exploit one.

If you don't even have these strategic good moves, Then you can look at the moves that pester your opponent that she/he can respond to. Do any of them leave your piece better placed and your opponent's worse [after you pester, they respond you move the piece away]? Do any induce a weakness when opponent responds?    You can look at weaknesses in your position and the flow of your opponents moves. Are they planning an attack? Then you can move to pre-defend. [Or, more subtly, prepare a defense that wont be obvious until your opponent is committed & it's too late]. If there are several possible ways for you to pile up and prepare an attack but your opponent can respond well to all of them, you can make a few moves in the direction of one, if responded to, shuffle off in the direction of another and keep circling until they misjudge your intention.  You can look at all the pawn moves that change the position. See why each fails to help you now then ask how you can tempt your opponent to change one of those reasons inherent in your position.

Cookies124
SwimmerBill wrote:

If there are really no good moves (meaning only bad ones) you can play a waiting move [I've been in positions where I had to move king back & forth and just wait].

  Usually "no good moves" means no tactics where you get an immediate advantage. Then you can look at strategic moves that create a possible weakness or slowly build to exploit one.

If you don't even have these strategic good moves, Then you can look at the moves that pester your opponent that she/he can respond to. Do any of them leave your piece better placed and your opponent's worse [after you pester, they respond you move the piece away]? Do any induce a weakness when opponent responds?    You can look at weaknesses in your position and the flow of your opponents moves. Are they planning an attack? Then you can move to pre-defend. [Or, more subtly, prepare a defense that wont be obvious until your opponent is committed & it's too late]. If there are several possible ways for you to pile up and prepare an attack but your opponent can respond well to all of them, you can make a few moves in the direction of one, if responded to, shuffle off in the direction of another and keep circling until they misjudge your intention.  You can look at all the pawn moves that change the position. See why each fails to help you now then ask how you can tempt your opponent to change one of those reasons inherent in your position.

yeah i do a waiting move usually

drmrboss

I read a book in my teenage that explain " Opening to Ending plan ". For example , 1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. dxc5 exd5.

If white push " a, b" pawns and exchange black's " a, b"  pawns, black will have a permanent backward weakness on "c pawn, usually at c6", meanwhile white will have "e3 " that support the solid structure in "d4".

White' plan is simply prevent black in pushing " c5" as early as move '3' and he would have favourable rook ending at move "30 or 40".

 

Of course, not all plan will happen smoothly but having a plan since move 1 is like " Sailing the sea with target".

 

Without the plan is " Sailing the sea without target".