How fast is normal improvement?

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magipi wrote:

As a comparison, even for the most amazing kid wonders, like Magnus Carlsen or Judit Polgar it took years to get from complete beginner to 1500. Years.

I find it unbelievable that someone can do it 2 and a half months. So I don't believe it.

I don´t understand why its that unbelievable. it dosen´t take a genius to be 1500. It took me 6 months and i´m not even talented. There are countless stories online of people reaching 2000 elo in a year or 1800 FIDE in a year. My friend who became 1500 chess.com rapid in 2 and a half months is now 1980 fide after learning chess a year ago. I think you don´t understand how bad 1500s are, even 1500 FIDE is pretty bad so with dedicaton it´s easy to hit it quickly. Also, my account is proof that this type of progress is possible. @magipi

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I have tracked the OTB rating development of strong players in my city.

Strong players (who reached 2200 or higher) reached Class A (1800-1999) in one or two years, Expert (2000-2199) in two to four years, and Master (2200+) in four to seven years. These numbers reflect their advancement after starting rated tournament play They may have had practice and instruction before that.

In general, the ones who reached the higher levels tended to make more rapid gains early in their development. For example, a player who became an IM reached the 2200 level within three years. The Masters who reached the 2300 level tended to make faster progress than those who reached the 2200 level.

it is important to note that online blitz ratings are much higher than classical OTB ratings. So, we should expect to see different results on chess.com.

Players who peak at lower levels show similar learning curves that simply are less steep than those of Masters. They show less rapid early development, slower improvements over time, and they simply plateau at lower levels.

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Tucktuck24 wrote:

Hi, I’m a 1200-1300ish player (it goes up and down depending on the day) and my improvement has been weird so far:

I started playing in July 2018, by September I was 800, and I have gone up an average of about 100 points per month on here and elsewhere. Is this normal improvement, too fast or slow, and what can I do to improve other than my current “schedule” which includes about 15 minutes of tactics, 30 minutes of openings (I know my time could be better spent, but I like openings), I do chess.com positional lessons to the max, and I read a few pages from Silman’s Complete Endgame Course every night before bed.

idk how fast normal improvement is. good question

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There is no “standard” rate of development. It will differ as a function of amount and quality of instruction, amount and quality of practice, opportunity to compete with stronger players, motivation, and innate ability.

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725 to 1231 in 90 days!

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Eventually you peak and then will only win half your games. Probably impossible to say what's normal, I guess I would ask, how many games a day you average, so I could give you a better guess.

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mikewier wrote:

I have tracked the OTB rating development of strong players in my city.

Strong players (who reached 2200 or higher) reached Class A (1800-1999) in one or two years, Expert (2000-2199) in two to four years

From what level? That's the crucial question.

Reaching 2000 in 2 years from absolute beginner seems quite unbelievable given that it took Magnus Carlsen 5 years.

Most likely those guys had previous chess experience, a few years maybe, and they reached 2000 in two years from the point they started going to tournaments.

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Yes. That is what I said in the next sentence.

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mikewier wrote:

Yes. That is what I said in the next sentence.

No. You said that they "might" have had previous experience. I said that they "most likely" had. That's absolutely not the same.

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mikewier wrote:

There is no “standard” rate of development. It will differ as a function of amount and quality of instruction, amount and quality of practice, opportunity to compete with stronger players, motivation, and innate ability.

youre right.

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Big difference between being obsessed w chess and just playing like a game a day even

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For me since I have an age of 9 it might take a year to finally improve cause I started Chess on December

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without any information on how hard you will work and how talented you are, its impossible to tell.
but for someone who wants it, unless you already 2000+, you should gain about 200 points a year with serious effort. Thats after blazing through into the 1200-1400 territory. This is why 5 years is a good metric of how long a decent player should take to become national master with true progressive effort.

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I started now 100+ days in October 2025 from 100 and now i am 700. Idk If IT is much but i try my Best to become a gm🤣

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