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SoupTime4 wrote:
BlackBaron007 wrote:
cerebov wrote:
 

These advice are aimed for better players. Here we are talking about a guy who does not take a hanging knight but hangs his own rook instead. Learning openings is a total waste of time if you are under 1000 Elo points and studying endgames is only maginally useful.

 

Are you insulting someone else's advice or me? Openings and end game are very important to know

Openings at your level are the last thing you should be studying.  What you do want to study "opening wise" is the reason behind why each piece, and pawn goes to the square it goes to.  Just memorizing openings is a waste. 

Basic endgame study is a must. 

KP vs. K

KQ vs. K

KR vs. K

KRR vs. K

Learn opposition.

Understand why rook pawns have a different set of rules.

 

 

I know how important end game is. The first chess book I ever bought was Bobby Fischer teaches chess as soon as I started reading it and got to the end I realized how important end game is, and openings are not an issue with me either, what is is mid game not committing mistakes and blunders and trying to see my opponents. 

SoupTime4
BlackBaron007 wrote:
SoupTime4 wrote:
BlackBaron007 wrote:
cerebov wrote:
 

These advice are aimed for better players. Here we are talking about a guy who does not take a hanging knight but hangs his own rook instead. Learning openings is a total waste of time if you are under 1000 Elo points and studying endgames is only maginally useful.

 

Are you insulting someone else's advice or me? Openings and end game are very important to know

Openings at your level are the last thing you should be studying.  What you do want to study "opening wise" is the reason behind why each piece, and pawn goes to the square it goes to.  Just memorizing openings is a waste. 

Basic endgame study is a must. 

KP vs. K

KQ vs. K

KR vs. K

KRR vs. K

Learn opposition.

Understand why rook pawns have a different set of rules.

 

 

I know how important end game is. The first chess book I ever bought was Bobby Fischer teaches chess as soon as I started reading it and got to the end I realized how important end game is, and openings are not an issue with me either, what is is mid game not committing mistakes and blunders and trying to see my opponents. 

We are reaching that point of nailing 1 foot to the floor and running around in a circle :-)

You say you know you play to fast, and yet you ask why you're not improving?

Their is nothing wrong with fast time controls.  As long as they are your main focus.  But if improvement is your main focus then you need to stay away form playing fast.

kindaspongey

"... The market is flooded with shoddy opening material. ..." - somebody earlier in the discussion

cerebov wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:

"... Play opponents who are better than you … Learn basic endgames. Create a simple opening repertoire (understanding the moves are far more important than memorizing them). Study tactics. And pick up tons of patterns. That’s the drumbeat of success. ..." - IM Jeremy Silman (December 27, 2018) (Emphasis added.) ...

These advice are aimed for better players. Here we are talking about a guy who does not take a hanging knight but hangs his own rook instead. Learning openings is a total waste of time if you are under 1000 Elo points and studying endgames is only maginally useful.

I should perhaps have indicated that the IM Silman quote (and others that I posted at the same time) were intended as an indication that many writers do not seem inclined to warn readers of a "market ... flooded with shoddy opening material."

It might perhaps be worth noting that Silman did not write "learning openings", a phrase that means very different things to different players. I agree that BlackBaron007 should probably not be attempting the sort of opening-learning that cerebov might undertake, but that does not mean that specific openings should not get any attention at all. Hanging-pieces is indeed a problem to be worked on, but that does not mean that it is a problem that must be completely solved before giving attention to any other aspect of chess. Consider, for example, the table of contents of the beginner book, A Complete Chess Course by Antonio Gude: "... 1 The Basic Rules of Chess 7 ... 2 Your First Chess Games 23 … 3 Openings and Basic Principles 33 ... 4 Putting Your Pieces to Work 52 ... 5 Strategy and Tactics 76 ... 6 Endgame Play and Further Openings 106 … 7 Combinations and Tactical Themes 128 ... 8 Attacking Play 163 ... 9 Your First Opening Repertoire 194 …"
http://www.gambitbooks.com/pdfs/A_Complete_Chess_Course.pdf

Like it or not, a lot is going to go wrong in a beginner's early chess games, and it can help if one manages to avoid the feeling of having gone completely wrong in the first few moves.

"... Memorizing the first 5 moves (5 for each side) in a handful of openings is totally fine..." - same person who wrote the "shoddy" comment

Also, beginners are often advised to look at illustrative games. Many beginner-opening-books are mostly collections of games with explanations for beginners. They can give readers something of a feel for the overall conduct of a sensible chess game and the purpose of opening moves.

Since you bring up endgames (Silman wrote "basic endgames"), I will mention that, elsewhere, Silman encouraged beginners to learn about such things as the king-and-rook-against-king checkmate. Such endings are perhaps more common than you might think in the games of the piece-hanging crowd, and it can improve one's planning-habits as well as one's morale to have some concrete accomplishments in this area.

kindaspongey
SoupTime4 wrote:
BlackBaron007 wrote:

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Openings at your level are the last thing you should be studying.  What you do want to study "opening wise" is the reason behind why each piece, and pawn goes to the square it goes to.  Just memorizing openings is a waste. ...

Many beginner opening books are indeed intended to give the reader some understanding of "why each piece, and pawn goes to the square it goes to."

SoupTime4
kindaspongey wrote:
SoupTime4 wrote: x
BlackBaron007 wrote:

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Openings at your level are the last thing you should be studying.  What you do want to study "opening wise" is the reason behind why each piece, and pawn goes to the square it goes to.  Just memorizing openings is a waste. ...

Many beginner opening books are indeed intended to give the reader some understanding of "why each piece, and pawn goes to the square it goes to."

Thank you again for repeating what i posted.

kindaspongey
SoupTime4 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
SoupTime4 wrote:
BlackBaron007 wrote:

… 

Openings at your level are the last thing you should be studying.  What you do want to study "opening wise" is the reason behind why each piece, and pawn goes to the square it goes to.  Just memorizing openings is a waste. ...

Many beginner opening books are indeed intended to give the reader some understanding of "why each piece, and pawn goes to the square it goes to."

Thank you again for repeating what i posted.

I did not see a sentence where you said something about what many beginner opening books are intended to do.

SoupTime4
kindaspongey wrote:
SoupTime4 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
SoupTime4 wrote:
BlackBaron007 wrote:

… 

Openings at your level are the last thing you should be studying.  What you do want to study "opening wise" is the reason behind why each piece, and pawn goes to the square it goes to.  Just memorizing openings is a waste. ...

Many beginner opening books are indeed intended to give the reader some understanding of "why each piece, and pawn goes to the square it goes to."

Thank you again for repeating what i posted.

I did not see a sentence where you said something about what many beginner opening books are intended to do.

Very good, you noticed i did not reference a book.  I referenced common sense.  An endless stream of useless quotes wasnt needed, for something that simple.

kindaspongey
SoupTime4 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
SoupTime4 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
SoupTime4 wrote:
BlackBaron007 wrote:

… 

Openings at your level are the last thing you should be studying.  What you do want to study "opening wise" is the reason behind why each piece, and pawn goes to the square it goes to.  Just memorizing openings is a waste. ...

Many beginner opening books are indeed intended to give the reader some understanding of "why each piece, and pawn goes to the square it goes to."

Thank you again for repeating what i posted.

I did not see a sentence where you said something about what many beginner opening books are intended to do.

Very good, you noticed i did not reference a book. ...

And that is why a book comment seemed appropriate to me.

kindaspongey
SoupTime4 wrote:
BlackBaron007 wrote:
SoupTime4 wrote:
BlackBaron007 wrote:
cerebov wrote:

... and studying endgames is only maginally useful.

Are you insulting someone else's advice or me? Openings and end game are very important to know

... Just memorizing openings is a waste. Basic endgame study is a must. ...

I know how important end game is. ... and openings are not an issue with me either, what is is mid game not committing mistakes and blunders and trying to see my opponents. 

We are reaching that point of nailing 1 foot to the floor and running around in a circle :-)

You say you know you play to fast, and yet you ask why you're not improving? ...

Are we reaching the point of paying attention to what a person actually writes? Here (in order) are BlackBaron007 questions and BlackBaron007 comments about playing fast:

"... Should I be playing the computer or not. …"

"... What is the next thing to do if the player/computer doesn't [follow what the GM's say a player might/should play] …"

"... I'm not sure how to attack, do I play my pieces and keep them together? …"

"... weaknesses How do I see those ... and not leave weaknesses myself"

"... I have noticed that I feel hurried, which I don't like. I know I am suppose to take my time and look at everything. Not going to play bots anymore ..."

"... I just have a bad habit of not taking my time I rush."

"... I'm trying to be patient before I move =)"

"This was a game with a friend. I usually dont play that fast"

"Yup I know I [need to slow down] really =)"

"... [what does this have to do with anything?]"

"... Are you insulting someone else's advice or me? …"

SoupTime4
kindaspongey wrote:
SoupTime4 wrote:
BlackBaron007 wrote:
SoupTime4 wrote:
BlackBaron007 wrote:
cerebov wrote:

... and studying endgames is only maginally useful.

Are you insulting someone else's advice or me? Openings and end game are very important to know

... Just memorizing openings is a waste. Basic endgame study is a must. ...

I know how important end game is. ... and openings are not an issue with me either, what is is mid game not committing mistakes and blunders and trying to see my opponents. 

We are reaching that point of nailing 1 foot to the floor and running around in a circle :-)

You say you know you play to fast, and yet you ask why you're not improving? ...

Are we reaching the point of paying attention to what a person actually writes? Here (in order) are BlackBarron007 questions and BlackBarron007 comments about playing fast:

"... Should I be playing the computer or not. …"

"... What is the next thing to do if the player/computer doesn't [follow what the GM's say a player might/should play] …"

"... I'm not sure how to attack, do I play my pieces and keep them together? …"

"... weaknesses How do I see those ... and not leave weaknesses myself"

"... I have noticed that I feel hurried, which I don't like. I know I am suppose to take my time and look at everything. Not going to play bots anymore ..."

"... I just have a bad habit of not taking my time I rush."

"... I'm trying to be patient before I move =)"

"This was a game with a friend. I usually dont play that fast"

"Yup I know I [need to slow down] really =)"

"... [what does this have to do with anything?]"

"... Are you insulting someone else's advice or me? …"

Thank You once again for repeating what i already posted.  I guess youre bored with school being out?

kindaspongey
SoupTime4 wrote:

… We are reaching that point of nailing 1 foot to the floor and running around in a circle :-) ...

"... You might as well nail one foot to the floor, and run around in circles." - IMBacon (January 22, 2019)

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/getting-more-angry-losing-at-chess-than-any-other-game

Wasn't IMBacon's account closed about three days before SoupTime4 joined?

SoupTime4
kindaspongey wrote:
SoupTime4 wrote:

… We are reaching that point of nailing 1 foot to the floor and running around in a circle :-) ...

"... You might as well nail one foot to the floor, and run around in circles." - IMBacon

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/getting-more-angry-losing-at-chess-than-any-other-game

Wasn't IMBacon's account closed about three days before SoupTime4 joined?

Yes, because people never use the same phrases.  I will be glad when school gets back to being opened.  You must be driving your parents nuts.  Go outside or something.

SoupTime4

"Wasn't IMBacon's account closed about three days before SoupTime4 joined?"

You must be..." because you used the words "account", "closed", "about", "three" "days", "before", "soup", "time", the number "4", and  the word "joined"

kindaspongey
SoupTime4 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
SoupTime4 wrote:

… We are reaching that point of nailing 1 foot to the floor and running around in a circle :-) ...

"... You might as well nail one foot to the floor, and run around in circles." - IMBacon

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/getting-more-angry-losing-at-chess-than-any-other-game

Wasn't IMBacon's account closed about three days before SoupTime4 joined?

Yes, because people never use the same phrases. ...

Don't want to say whether or not you know anything about the identity of IMBacon?

SoupTime4
kindaspongey wrote:
SoupTime4 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
SoupTime4 wrote:

… We are reaching that point of nailing 1 foot to the floor and running around in a circle :-) ...

"... You might as well nail one foot to the floor, and run around in circles." - IMBacon

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/getting-more-angry-losing-at-chess-than-any-other-game

Wasn't IMBacon's account closed about three days before SoupTime4 joined?

Yes, because people never use the same phrases. ...

Don't want to say whether or not you know anything about the identity of IMBacon?

I knew it was a good call to block you.  Is there a way to block this kids posts, so i dont have to see them?

SoupTime4
kindaspongey wrote:
SoupTime4 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
SoupTime4 wrote:

… We are reaching that point of nailing 1 foot to the floor and running around in a circle :-) ...

"... You might as well nail one foot to the floor, and run around in circles." - IMBacon

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/getting-more-angry-losing-at-chess-than-any-other-game

Wasn't IMBacon's account closed about three days before SoupTime4 joined?

Yes, because people never use the same phrases. ...

Don't want to say whether or not you know anything about the identity of IMBacon?

Do you know were Jimmy Hoffa is?

kindaspongey
SoupTime4 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
SoupTime4 wrote:

… We are reaching that point of nailing 1 foot to the floor and running around in a circle :-)

You say you know you play to fast, and yet you ask why you're not improving? ...

Are we reaching the point of paying attention to what a person actually writes? Here (in order) are BlackBarron007 questions and BlackBarron007 comments about playing fast:

"... Should I be playing the computer or not. …"

"... What is the next thing to do if the player/computer doesn't [follow what the GM's say a player might/should play] …"

"... I'm not sure how to attack, do I play my pieces and keep them together? …"

"... weaknesses How do I see those ... and not leave weaknesses myself"

"... I have noticed that I feel hurried, which I don't like. I know I am suppose to take my time and look at everything. Not going to play bots anymore ..."

"... I just have a bad habit of not taking my time I rush."

"... I'm trying to be patient before I move =)"

"This was a game with a friend. I usually dont play that fast"

"Yup I know I [need to slow down] really =)"

"... [what does this have to do with anything?]"

"... Are you insulting someone else's advice or me? …"

Thank You once again for repeating what i already posted. ...

Don't want to say anything about the comparison between your description and what BlackBaron007 actually asked (and when)?

kindaspongey
SoupTime4 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
SoupTime4 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
SoupTime4 wrote:

… We are reaching that point of nailing 1 foot to the floor and running around in a circle :-) ...

"... You might as well nail one foot to the floor, and run around in circles." - IMBacon

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/getting-more-angry-losing-at-chess-than-any-other-game

Wasn't IMBacon's account closed about three days before SoupTime4 joined?

Yes, because people never use the same phrases. ...

Don't want to say whether or not you know anything about the identity of IMBacon?

I knew it was a good call to block you.  Is there a way to block this kids posts, so i dont have to see them?

What they call, a non-denial denial?

kindaspongey
SoupTime4 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:

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Do you know were Jimmy Hoffa is?

No.

SoupTime4
kindaspongey wrote:
SoupTime4 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:

...

Do you know were Jimmy Hoffa is?

No.

I think you do.