is it correct to resign as a beginner if you’re losing badly?

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Rick2309
I’m pretty new to chess but loving it, the question is regards to games where I’m losing badly, I feel it the correct thing to do to resign as I heard it’s chess etiquette but also I want to play on to improve my skills in trying to get out of bad situations, also if I’m winning I kind of get annoyed when the other person resigns because I want to improve my skills at getting check mates! If I take a persons queen they usually resign but then I never get to try and work out how to win the game. I guess I’m saying is as beginners we should play to the death to improve but is that bad form in the chess world I’ve newly discovered?!
Rick2309
Yeah that’s what I mean, I think beginners should play till the end to learn but no one seems to do that in my games. And by beginner I mean I’ve played for about a month and my rating is about 500
Rick2309
Ok thanks for the advice :)
llama47

Yeah, don't worry about etiquette. I never get mad at a new player for playing all the way to mate.

Tanishq_Myadam

Nah, I wouldn't resign, there have been many times where I played games, blundered a couple of pieces but my opponent did the same as well and I was able to recover the game into a draw. So I would say unless you are losing to a one-checkmate move, finish the game and don't resign....

caseyfloridian

At 500 elo you can play on almost anything. Once you're around ~1200 elo id say you can start resigning when you're completely lost around then most players will convert it. Good luck

blueemu

As a beginner, the time to resign is when you can clearly see how YOU would win the position (if the opposing roles were reversed). Once you feel certain that the position contains no more lessons for you to learn, it's a waste of time playing on.

Rick2309
Thanks for everyone’s advice it’s much appreciated! Blue emu I’ve been in games where I’ve seen I’m gonna lose in 1 move and then the opposition does something completely irrational cos they’re as bad as me haha so that’s why I think beginners should play in to the death instead of resigning all the time as seems normal in my games as then you learn from your mistakes and maybe even get a draw as Tanishq points out. And thanks llama I’ll stop worrying so much about chess etiquette and just play till the end until I’m higher rating like Casey said, if I get to 1200 rating I’ll be pleased as punch :)
blueemu
Rick2309 wrote:
Thanks for everyone’s advice it’s much appreciated! Blue emu I’ve been in games where I’ve seen I’m gonna lose in 1 move and then the opposition does something completely irrational cos they’re as bad as me haha so that’s why I think beginners should play in to the death instead of resigning

It's a question of "What is your goal as a beginner"?

Is your goal just to beat some other beginner, by waiting for him to blunder?

... then play on, even in hopeless positions.

Or is your goal to learn and improve, and become a strong player?

... then play on UNTIL the position contains no more lessons for you to learn.

Quite frankly, I feel that beating some other beginner should be the LEAST of your concerns.

 

Rick2309
I completely see your point, and I take it on board, thank you
i_desire_hamburgers
Rick2309 wrote:
I’m pretty new to chess but loving it, the question is regards to games where I’m losing badly, I feel it the correct thing to do to resign as I heard it’s chess etiquette but also I want to play on to improve my skills in trying to get out of bad situations, also if I’m winning I kind of get annoyed when the other person resigns because I want to improve my skills at getting check mates! If I take a persons queen they usually resign but then I never get to try and work out how to win the game. I guess I’m saying is as beginners we should play to the death to improve but is that bad form in the chess world I’ve newly discovered?!

Also, I think the thing about chess etiquette is for more advanced players. Why should it be bad for a beginner to learn more by playing on?!

Carwasher_Superdrunk

Yes, resigning is the correct thing to do. And I strongly disagree with Emily's assertion that "chess etiquette is more for advanced players." Chess etiquette is for everyone, equally. You can always go back over the game to see what you did wrong (and what you did correctly). And, of course, you can always just start another game.

Rick2309
Yes thanks Emily I think I was worrying about wrong chess etiquette far too early in my chess career! Although I do wish the opponents at my level wouldn’t resign either so I can practise more endgame chess
Ziryab
NervesofButter wrote:

If by beginner you mean that you know how the pieces move and thats about it?  I would suggest always playing on.  That is how you learn, and you never know.  Your opponent can always mess it up.

 

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This

I might add that beginners are often playing against beginners. None of your opponents should be assumed to know how to finish the game. I've taught many hundreds of young players chess, have watched many thousands of their game. It takes a lot of time before the vast majority can perform even the simplest of checkmates.

If you are playing someone who knows how to checkmate, you are getting a free lesson. Especially if you resist as strenuously as possible.

Rick2309
Ok now carwasher has spun that on its head haha but seriously going over a game to see what I did wrong is pretty hardcore for my level I’m literally just trying to play games and learn at the moment as I learn best from playing games and realising I’ve done something wrong or right so I don’t make the same mistake twice or if I do make the right move I make sure I do it again
Rick2309
Thank you Ziryab for your input it’s much appreciated
Stil1

Play on. It's far more instructive, and will further help your growth as a player. By playing through losing games, you'll strengthen your ability to look for defensive resources in difficult positions - an important skill to hone.

Otherwise, if you resign whenever you're losing, you'll only be training yourself to feel comfortable in winning positions. Whenever faced with a losing position, you'll have trained yourself to do only one thing: to quit. To give up. To run away.

Don't do that.

Fight on until the end, and learn what you can from every game. thumbup.png

Rick2309
Cheers Stil 🍻
Carwasher_Superdrunk
Ziryab wrote:
NervesofButter wrote:

If by beginner you mean that you know how the pieces move and thats about it?  I would suggest always playing on.  That is how you learn, and you never know.  Your opponent can always mess it up.

 

^^^^
This

I might add that beginners are often playing against beginners. None of your opponents should be assumed to know how to finish the game. I've taught many hundreds of young players chess, have watched many thousands of their game. It takes a lot of time before the vast majority can perform even the simplest of checkmates.

If you are playing someone who knows how to checkmate, you are getting a free lesson. Especially if you resist as strenuously as possible.


You are missing the point.

Knowing when and why to resign is an important part of chess. That's because you aren't playing some faceless entity or an engine; you are actually playing another human being, and as silly as this sounds, it's important to at least try and treat each other with some dignity and respect.

When you play on a queen down, what you are really saying to your opponent (without actually putting it into words) is "I expect you to blunder your queen back at some point." In reality, it's a way of calling someone a noob without actually coming out and saying it.

Nevertheless, I have encountered numerous players who, for whatever reason, refuse to resign despite massive material deficits and, when that happens, I have no choice but to give them what they appear to be asking for: a solid thrashing over the board.

I don't like to do that, but unless they resign, they leave me with little choice.

Carwasher_Superdrunk
Stil1 wrote:

Play on. It's far more instructive, and will further help your growth as a player. By playing through losing games, you'll strengthen your ability to look for defensive resources in difficult positions - an important skill to hone.

Otherwise, if you resign whenever you're losing, you'll only be training yourself to feel comfortable in winning positions. Whenever faced with a losing position, you'll have trained yourself to do only one thing: to quit. To give up. To run away.

Don't do that.

Fight on until the end, and learn what you can from every game.


I'd love to hear what lessons you can learn to improve while a full queen down. Unless there is something like a forced stalemate or a serious time control problem, there is nothing you can learn from such positions.