Is this a good training plan?

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ricorat
tygxc wrote:

#1

"1. Play 1-3 30|0 games a day and analyze each one" ++ 15|10 is better than 30|0. 1 game is enough. Do not bother analysing won games: focus on analysis of your lost games.

"2. Read at least 1 chapter a day in a chess book" ++ Depends on how good the book is. Chess books are no novels, do not read them, study them with 2 chess sets: one for the main line, one for variations.

"3. Solve 20 tactics a day" ++ 20 may be excess. 4 is enough. It is good to start with as a warm-up.

"4 Solve 20 vision tests. 10 coordinates and 10 moves. Will use white in half and black in half" ++ pretty useless.

"5. Sudy one master game a day. Preferably one in an opening I play" Yes, surely good.

Okay so it sounds like the vision tests are useless so I'll cut them out. Why do you think I should play 15|10 rather than 30|0? The reason I play 30|0 is because a lot of OTB is 30|0 and it is longer than 15|10. Also thank you for the feed back!

ricorat
LightningChess21 wrote:

Honestly it might be too much? Idk, everyone is different after all. Personally for me it's at least 30 mins of tactics a day and at least 30 mins of opening prep a day, then playing 1-3 rapid games

Hmmm yes it might be to much. I'll have to try it out for a little while and see if it's to much work

BestSell

That's far too much per day, IMO.

Your brain needs to process and retain what you learn, and if you overload it with too much information, you'll just be losing most of the effort.

This is called "diminishing returns".

You'd get much more out of it if you reduce your workload there.

Of the activities you listed, I'd recommend doing one different thing, each day. You'd improve much faster, that way, than if you tried to do five things a day.

Quality over quantity.

Also, you should analyze your won games, too. Because even in those, there will be mistakes you've made, and improvements to be found.

And I don't know what vision/coordinate tests are. I'm 2400+ and I've never done one in my life.

daxypoo
personally, 30 min games give the illusion of a longer game

and when i begin to play like i would in a classical otb game i often find myself flagging in way too many games

so for mimicking an otb game 30 min is still way too short- maybe i can get out of an opening in decent position- just about all i can muster in a proper 30 min game

in 15/10 my mindset is more “rapid” oriented and i get more reps in and- as a result- my personal opening trees get more info so i can have this for classical preparation later

when i would set up for 1 rapid 30 min game i felt like i was putting in a lot of effort for not enough gain (not enough reps and not even completing the games often so building an opening tree and gaining practical endgame experience was being neglected)

i feel like i get more gain out of 15/10 than 30 min

in online games my sweetspot is 30min with an increment fwiw
tygxc

#22
15|10 is the offcial FIDE rapid time control. It is about as long as 30|0, but it has the advantage that you never end up in time trouble: you always have 10 seconds for a move. So you never lose on time and you can confidently use all of your time before move 30.

jamesstack

How much time do you have to devote to chess? Item one is up to 3 hours just to play the games. Then you need to analyze them to maximize the benefit from studying them....maybe thats another hour for all 3 games. but possibly more. So already we are up to 4 hours. Then the next thing is read a chapter of a chess book....I guess it can depend on the book but a lot of books will take me several hours to get through one chapter. Okay lets say you can absorb the material much faster than me and it only takes you 2 hours to get through a chapter...we are still up to 5 hours a day and we arent done yet. 20 tactics a day.....assume on average 5 minutes per problem...thats 100 minutes....up to nealrly 7 hours now. Calculation exercises...that probably takes some time if you do them right...lets say 2 hours.....up to 9 hours. And finally study a master game....could take an hour or more possibly less. So maybe 10 hours or more per day is a reasonable estimate for the amount of time that your plan takes and that is assuming you study 10 straight hours without taking a break. Maybe my estimates could be debated but it will still be a lot of hours. There is also a risk that you will rush through the items on the list just to check them off as a completed item....it would be better to do them slowly to get the max benefit from them. Maybe if you try to do all those things per week instead of per day, it might be more doable. Also is there any special reason you arent studying endgames?

dbarichess

Helpful!

dbarichess

Thank you! bro

ricorat
BestSell wrote:

That's far too much per day, IMO.

Your brain needs to process and retain what you learn, and if you overload it with too much information, you'll just be losing most of the effort.

This is called "diminishing returns".

You'd get much more out of it if you reduce your workload there.

Of the activities you listed, I'd recommend doing one different thing, each day. You'd improve much faster, that way, than if you tried to do five things a day.

Quality over quantity.

Also, you should analyze your won games, too. Because even in those, there will be mistakes you've made, and improvements to be found.

And I don't know what vision/coordinate tests are. I'm 2400+ and I've never done one in my life.

I think you are right! My plan might be to much a day and I should just play a game analyze it and do 1 other thing from it

ricorat
jamesstack wrote:

How much time do you have to devote to chess? Item one is up to 3 hours just to play the games. Then you need to analyze them to maximize the benefit from studying them....maybe thats another hour for all 3 games. but possibly more. So already we are up to 4 hours. Then the next thing is read a chapter of a chess book....I guess it can depend on the book but a lot of books will take me several hours to get through one chapter. Okay lets say you can absorb the material much faster than me and it only takes you 2 hours to get through a chapter...we are still up to 5 hours a day and we arent done yet. 20 tactics a day.....assume on average 5 minutes per problem...thats 100 minutes....up to nealrly 7 hours now. Calculation exercises...that probably takes some time if you do them right...lets say 2 hours.....up to 9 hours. And finally study a master game....could take an hour or more possibly less. So maybe 10 hours or more per day is a reasonable estimate for the amount of time that your plan takes and that is assuming you study 10 straight hours without taking a break. Maybe my estimates could be debated but it will still be a lot of hours. There is also a risk that you will rush through the items on the list just to check them off as a completed item....it would be better to do them slowly to get the max benefit from them. Maybe if you try to do all those things per week instead of per day, it might be more doable. Also is there any special reason you arent studying endgames?

I have at least 5 hours a day but, I feel like 5 hours is a lot right now! I do agree that I should study all of these per week instead of per day! Also endgames will come from reading books

Wolf227

Looks like a really good plan. I agree 3 30min games might be a little much, but if you have the time and want to, then go for it. I think you might be able to get rid of the vision and instead try to do one lesson per day - Chess Lessons - Learn with Online Courses - Chess.com - I have found some of them to be very helpful.

ricorat
Wolf227 wrote:

Looks like a really good plan. I agree 3 30min games might be a little much, but if you have the time and want to, then go for it. I think you might be able to get rid of the vision and instead try to do one lesson per day - Chess Lessons - Learn with Online Courses - Chess.com - I have found some of them to be very helpful.

I think I'll stick with 1 30|0 game as 3 might be to much. Chess.com lessnons are also a good idea but, I only have a gold so I can't do one a day sad.png

davidgtm

Yes

MyNameIsNotBuddy

Maybe you could do 1 30|0 and 1 15|10

ricorat
MyNameIsNotBuddy wrote:

Maybe you could do 1 30|0 and 1 15|10

Not a bad idea but, that  would take a lot of time

MyNameIsNotBuddy
ricorat wrote:
MyNameIsNotBuddy wrote:

Maybe you could do 1 30|0 and 1 15|10

Not a bad idea but, that  would take a lot of time

Yeah, maybe a 10 minute game instead?

RobertJames_Fisher
Jordan2177 wrote:

its a very good plan! the only thing i do diffrently is i play lots of 30 min games read 2 chapters solve 50 tactics a day study 3 master games and do some endgame tests and i play for 2 hours and study for 4 hours so i mainly play chess 6 hours a day. i do alot of time in chess because im serious about it and love the game.

And you have no other life! Some people here work or go to school full time 

RobertJames_Fisher
ricorat wrote:

So for the longest time I had not had a training plan and I finally set one up today. Do you guys think it's good and is there anything that I should add or take away from it? 

1. Play 1-3 30|0 games a day and analyze each one

2. Read at least 1 chapter a day in a chess book

3. Solve 20 tactics a day

4 Solve 20 vision tests. 10 coordinates and 10 moves. Will use white in half and black in half

5. Sudy one master game a day. Preferably one in an opening I play

Why not do daily chess instead?

RobertJames_Fisher
tygxc wrote:

#1

"1. Play 1-3 30|0 games a day and analyze each one" ++ 15|10 is better than 30|0. 1 game is enough. Do not bother analysing won games: focus on analysis of your lost games.

"2. Read at least 1 chapter a day in a chess book" ++ Depends on how good the book is. Chess books are no novels, do not read them, study them with 2 chess sets: one for the main line, one for variations.

"3. Solve 20 tactics a day" ++ 20 may be excess. 4 is enough. It is good to start with as a warm-up.

"4 Solve 20 vision tests. 10 coordinates and 10 moves. Will use white in half and black in half" ++ pretty useless.

"5. Sudy one master game a day. Preferably one in an opening I play" Yes, surely good.

I apologize but what is a vision test?? Sounds stupid but I have no idea!!

ricorat
millerd66 wrote:
tygxc wrote:

#1

"1. Play 1-3 30|0 games a day and analyze each one" ++ 15|10 is better than 30|0. 1 game is enough. Do not bother analysing won games: focus on analysis of your lost games.

"2. Read at least 1 chapter a day in a chess book" ++ Depends on how good the book is. Chess books are no novels, do not read them, study them with 2 chess sets: one for the main line, one for variations.

"3. Solve 20 tactics a day" ++ 20 may be excess. 4 is enough. It is good to start with as a warm-up.

"4 Solve 20 vision tests. 10 coordinates and 10 moves. Will use white in half and black in half" ++ pretty useless.

"5. Sudy one master game a day. Preferably one in an opening I play" Yes, surely good.

I apologize but what is a vision test?? Sounds stupid but I have no idea!!

On the website if you hover over learn you will see an option for vision and click and you'll find out. Also I play a lot of daily! I have over 70 games going on right now.