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toxic_internet

I've peaked out in the 800 +/- 50 range - this is as good as I'll ever get.  YellowVenom and Old Spooky were right: it's just not possible to advance without coaching, lessons, and lots of other time-intensive and monetary commitments that people like us just don't have.  Sucks.

Eyes1289

True!!! That doesn't even mention quality 😭😭😭😭 I tried to learn from the intermediate lessons but they were to hard!!! I'm currently doing beginner course on tactics and it's working better but it's probably ages till I match even Andrea botez ELO

DelightfulLiberty

How long did it take to get to your current stage?

Do you not think its possible to get to 1000 with time and effort?

nklristic

It is not completely like that but there is some merit to what you say. 
It is true that whenever one reach some peak, he has to invest additional effort to overcome his current ceiling. Those peaks are different for everyone. Someone will be stuck at 400 rating, someone at 800, and someone at 2 000.
At that point, if you wish to improve, you need to find a way to learn something new. Sometimes doing the same thing over and over again will not really cut it anymore. 
Sure, coaching probably makes it a bit easier as you'll get instructions on what to actually do, but you still have to invest that effort yourself. 
Now don't get me wrong, free material will get you to some point, at certain point, even if you don't get a coach, you will still have to invest money in let's say books or courses, but the trick is to find out which books are in accordance with your level.

SouthWestRacingNews

All of the coaching advice is fine and good. But, unless you are willing to take a chance and invest just a small amount, then you will be stuck.

Consider investing at the "gold sales" level and for every recruit you bring in, you will get 20% of their rating, and ANOTHER 10% of each rating they bring in.

To be clear, once you advance to the 7th level, you become a partial owner in "Chess" itself and you can generate enough ratings to retire without ever having to play games yourself.

"Jimmy" (not his real name) has reached the 8th level in just two years, and he owns a full 1% of all Chess throughout the world. He has 1,307,032 chess players playing under him, and every time one of them wins a game, he gets a share of each win.

"Cynthia" has reached level 9 in just three years, and she sells her extra ratings to pay for all her bills, and vacations in Scotland two months a year in a villa overlooking the bay. Magnus Carlson wanted to play chess in the park with some friends, he actually had to get her permission to begin the game.

zone_chess

Stop the self-pity.

If you can do 3,800 puzzles you have plenty of time for some in-depth Chessable courses or literature studies. It will elevate your level of thinking no matter your current ability. It all depends on effort, commitment, and how much you want it.

toxic_internet
DelightfulLiberty wrote:

Do you not think its possible to get to 1000 with time and effort?

For some people yes, but for me, no. Chess would have to be more than a hobby for me to get beyond 800. Time, money, more time, more money ... and I don't have those to spare.

toxic_internet
DelightfulLiberty wrote:

How long did it take to get to your current stage?

about 8 months, but I am stuck here.

DejarikDreams

You don’t need the monetary commitment, but time commitment is necessary for everybody to improve.

I agree with zone-chess. Stop the self-pity. Stay positive and have fun.

toxic_internet

It's not fun anymore, TBH.

Belwuga

abasing 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆

paper_llama

I improved super slowly, about 100 points a year, even in the beginning... I didn't have a lot of time for chess, but I still studied and enjoyed playing.

If I wanted to improve I would have given up out of frustration. Luckily I didn't care that my improvement was slow, and I didn't really have any rating goal, I just liked playing and learning stuff.

With all the fancy learning stuff that's online these days, you'll probably improve faster than I did... I don't think you're stuck at 800 happy.png

DejarikDreams
toxic_internet wrote:

It's not fun anymore, TBH.

Take a break. Come back when you feel the urge to play.

DelightfulLiberty
toxic_internet wrote:
DelightfulLiberty wrote:

How long did it take to get to your current stage?

about 8 months, but I am stuck here.

How much did you play/train per week to get to 800 in 8 months?

How long have you been stuck at 800?

Hoffmann713
toxic_internet ha scritto:

I've peaked out in the 800 +/- 50 range - this is as good as I'll ever get. YellowVenom and Old Spooky were right: it's just not possible to advance without coaching, lessons, and lots of other time-intensive and monetary commitments that people like us just don't have. Sucks.

I don’t think it’s about coaching, lessons and money. In my opinion the key factors are the time that can be dedicated to chess, and skills such as the ability to memorize patterns and to concentrate to extreme levels: things which no one and no amount of money can give us if we don’t already have them.

Frankly speaking, I’m afraid those like us struggling to reach 800 or 1000 are unlikely to become a master. So spend a lot of money, for what? To reach 1200 ? 1400 ? 1600 ? and stuck there permanently ? Really poor achievements, not worth investing a lot of money.

Therefore, let's take advantage of what the web offers, buy some good books with a small expense, and try to improve as much as possible; and when we finish improving, amen. Let's enjoy the Game whatever level we remain, because if it's not experienced as an obsession it's a beneficial and powerful activity, for mood and health.

SlourpyPlorypy

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654Psyfox
toxic_internet wrote:

I've peaked out in the 800 +/- 50 range - this is as good as I'll ever get. YellowVenom and Old Spooky were right: it's just not possible to advance without coaching, lessons, and lots of other time-intensive and monetary commitments that people like us just don't have. Sucks.

Also to get a decent amount of coaching and lessons, you need money

SapolNassar

Maybe just watch improvement-oriented videos on youtube and copy the opening moves from the video to later repeat and memorize them. Maybe also take notes why a move is good to get basic principles down. You also don't have to buy courses. On chessly there are free sample chapters of courses and I believe that chessable has something similar

Eyes1289
SapolNassar wrote:

Maybe just watch improvement-oriented videos on youtube and copy the opening moves from the video to later repeat and memorize them. Maybe also take notes why a move is good to get basic principles down. You also don't have to buy courses. On chessly there are free sample chapters of courses and I believe that chessable has something similar

Nope! You have to subscribe first to get free ANYTHING

SapolNassar
Eyes1289 wrote:
SapolNassar wrote:

Maybe just watch improvement-oriented videos on youtube and copy the opening moves from the video to later repeat and memorize them. Maybe also take notes why a move is good to get basic principles down. You also don't have to buy courses. On chessly there are free sample chapters of courses and I believe that chessable has something similar

Nope! You have to subscribe first to get free ANYTHING

On chessable? I wasn't aware, I'm sorry. You can still make a completely free account on chessly though which gives you access to free samples