Losing de-motivates me

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astropenguin12 wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
astropenguin12 wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
astropenguin12 wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
astropenguin12 wrote:

Losing a close, good game sucks, but I enjoy those losses. Similarly, as I will never escape 100-108 as my rating, I play the advanced-rated bots. The grandmaster bot in particular has really force me to think. But when I lose, I feel inferior to the winner, that I was less intellegent, talented, patient, and so on.

I played some as a kid, but only recently got back into it at age 30. I don't need to win tournaments and I don't think I am better. And no, I don't study specific defenses, attacks, or previous games. Every game is different, and a blunder in one game is a good move in another.

I was also abused as a kid, and unlike those of you playing since childhood, my brain has tightened enough to not be plastic to make me better at chess. It frustrates me that in all my efforts I get nowhere

If all you're going to do is play speed chess then expect this to happen. But do what makes you enjoy the game.

None of this is about enjoyment, it's about winning. I humiliatingly lost to someone who said I would lose. I had it, then it slipped away.

Fair enough. Then please explain how you expect to improve enough to start winning consistently when all you play is speed chess?

I feel I keep a good eye on positioning on the board. I have the right mindset, but suck at execution. Maybe I should merely use chess to get better at other games. Chess isn't meant to be a lifelong thing

Absolutely nothing wrong with anything you said.

What, do I need 2 minutes to execute a move? Aggression is sometimes a great tactic

Well...you can take 2 minutes on a move. Learn something about that pattern, develop a solid thinking system. Or you use aggression and play a bad move.

Which one do you think is healthier and going to help you more?

And honestly I dont even understand how you play "aggressive" online.

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Don’t make it demotivate you. Just learn from mistakes. 👍
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Losing like 10 games demotivates me

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Then stop playing if you lose 1-2 games in the day or else you might tilt.
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astropenguin12 wrote:

I feel I keep a good eye on positioning on the board. I have the right mindset, but suck at execution.

The first step towards improvement: try to be objective.

This was your last game:

https://www.chess.com/game/live/140965804202?username=astropenguin12

On move 11 white (your opponent) threw away his queen for no reason with 11. Qxh5+(??). In response, you made a random king move without thinking.

Don't play random moves. Use your time and think.

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blackmambas1314 wrote:

Yes we need a long time to move. Aggression ain’t a very good tactic

I don't know, I've managed to take out quite a few pieces with a pawn onslaught

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magipi wrote:
astropenguin12 wrote:

I feel I keep a good eye on positioning on the board. I have the right mindset, but suck at execution.

The first step towards improvement: try to be objective.

This was your last game:

https://www.chess.com/game/live/140965804202?username=astropenguin12

On move 11 white (your opponent) threw away his queen for no reason with 11. Qxh5+(??). In response, you made a random king move without thinking.

Don't play random moves. Use your time and think.

I can't believe I missed that. Well no matter, few games are going to have that.

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What, do I need 2 minutes to execute a move? Aggression is sometimes a great tactic

No. Completely wrong thought process. You've fallen into a common trap that beginners make. Most people cannot improve if they play speed chess. Getting better at chess involves spending time to think through the moves and reviewing your games. Through doing that, over time, you recognize patterns and what works and what doesn't. Speed chess only allows you to practice what you already know.

No one replying to your post is lying to you. We are all genuinely here to help. If you want to get better, it's not about intelligence, but it is about taking advice and putting in the work. Like anything in life, you have to want to improve. And if you aren't motivated to and that's not important to you, that's okay.

About the "losing" part since that's the subject of your forum post. Maybe try to find some chess friends either here or irl where you can play some unrated games. That way it might feel a bit more safe and would help bolster your confidence.

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HeckinSprout wrote:
astropenguin12 wrote:
 

What, do I need 2 minutes to execute a move? Aggression is sometimes a great tactic

No. Completely wrong thought process. You've fallen into a common trap that beginners make. Most people cannot improve if they play speed chess. Getting better at chess involves spending time to think through the moves and reviewing your games. Through doing that, over time, you recognize patterns and what works and what doesn't. Speed chess only allows you to practice what you already know.

No one replying to your post is lying to you. We are all genuinely here to help. If you want to get better, it's not about intelligence, but it is about taking advice and putting in the work. Like anything in life, you have to want to improve. And if you aren't motivated to and that's not important to you, that's okay.

About the "losing" part since that's the subject of your forum post. Maybe try to find some chess friends either here or irl where you can play some unrated games. That way it might feel a bit more safe and would help bolster your confidence.

Those are fair, I just rarely have both the time and energy to study anything. To be racking up wins without daily practice isn't a bad start. I've lost far more, but I held myself pretty well against the grandmaster bot (I knew I'd lose, so I simply wanted to see how they did it). Losing is just frustrating and, in some games, humiliating.

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astropenguin12 wrote:
HeckinSprout wrote:
astropenguin12 wrote:
 

What, do I need 2 minutes to execute a move? Aggression is sometimes a great tactic

No. Completely wrong thought process. You've fallen into a common trap that beginners make. Most people cannot improve if they play speed chess. Getting better at chess involves spending time to think through the moves and reviewing your games. Through doing that, over time, you recognize patterns and what works and what doesn't. Speed chess only allows you to practice what you already know.

No one replying to your post is lying to you. We are all genuinely here to help. If you want to get better, it's not about intelligence, but it is about taking advice and putting in the work. Like anything in life, you have to want to improve. And if you aren't motivated to and that's not important to you, that's okay.

About the "losing" part since that's the subject of your forum post. Maybe try to find some chess friends either here or irl where you can play some unrated games. That way it might feel a bit more safe and would help bolster your confidence.

Those are fair, I just rarely have both the time and energy to study anything. To be racking up wins without daily practice isn't a bad start. I've lost far more, but I held myself pretty well against the grandmaster bot (I knew I'd lose, so I simply wanted to see how they did it). Losing is just frustrating and, in some games, humiliating.

Losing sucks, I understand that. I mostly lose in front of an audience these days, and some of my audience are 2000+ rated. You just have to try to stay positive and look at it is a learning experience. But the feeling of humiliation, that perspective is why I recommended unrated games against chess friends either online or irl. Sort of a safe zone where you know you aren't being judged.

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I would take it as an inspiring moment to improve rather than to be discouraged. You got this!
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Being a 100-rated player with a diamond membership would de-motivate me.

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BasixWhiteBoy wrote:

Being a 100-rated player with a diamond membership would de-motivate me.

I didn't know it had billed me until afterwards. And yeah I don't take full advantage, but it doesn't help to call leaving a piece hanging a "mistake" when I was in check and had little choice in moving

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But science — and real human experience — shows us that the brain remains plastic well into adulthood. Especially when paired with intention and consistent challenge, like you’re doing by playing strong bots.

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First off, stop playing bots... *unless* you are working on a *specific* skill (like scholar's mate, for example) Seriously.

Playing humans keeps you on your toes because humans do unpredictable things.

The "wtf" factor in human games keeps you constantly looking for weaknesses and kinks in the opposing side that a computer just wouldn't do.

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Astropenguin12, you play fast you don’t play good. (Unless it’s bullet)

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If I lose, my mindset is
“I lost. That means I made a mistake, which I can learn from.”

If you want to get better, learn principles and tactics.

If you don’t want to get better, try to think about how playing is fun, whether you win or lose.
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Most important is awareness of hanging pieces. In your most recent game, your opponent hung their queen on move 5, but instead of taking it, you instead hung your rook.
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(Hanging means it can be captured for free)