Players who have start low elo, how do you get better?

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It’s a joke saying that people who start late can’t get good

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It's not a joke, don't be mad just because this truth is sad. Show me a good violin player who started late. A good athlete, anything. It's all about flexibility of the brain. If you don't start early, you're doomed to be mediocre at best. Exceptions are very rare. You can't memorize books that well in adult age, no amount of books and preparation will fix that, your adult brain simply does not have enough "free" neurons (that's a simplification, do not cling onto that).

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ChoppedRadish wrote:
I was stuck at 400 rapid and 200 blitz until I learn the King’s Indian. It’s easy to understand and can play with both black and white. Now I’m 900 rapid and 700 blitz.

Don't think you need to learn King's Indian to get to 900 rapid and 700 blitz but ok. When I started, I was 800 and barely knew openings, but had a better idea of middlegames and endgames, which is how I survived and stayed at that rating until I learnt openings, which boosted me to around 1200.

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basketstorm wrote:

Adult starters can improve but only a little, there's a hard limit, like it or not, you can see a lot of examples here and even among titled players. Has nothing to do with me. Purely physiological limitation.

I started at 800 elo and am now 1700. Significant improvement. Don't take my word for it go check my stats.

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KronosMC90 wrote:
basketstorm wrote:

Adult starters can improve but only a little, there's a hard limit, like it or not, you can see a lot of examples here and even among titled players. Has nothing to do with me. Purely physiological limitation.

I started at 800 elo and am now 1700. Significant improvement. Don't take my word for it go check my stats.

Please share a link to your stats

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I am 34 years old.

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No I mean your verifiable/credible stats like FIDE/USCF, not this online thing

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basketstorm wrote:

No I mean your verifiable/credible stats like FIDE/USCF, not this online thing

I don't have these. But come on now. cry if you're going to call chess.com elo completely meaningless then why are you even on here? Does it mean as much as a proper rating? Of course not. But it does show significant improvement in my chess. Something you said couldn't be done.

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ss then why are you even on here? 

I'm here to spread positivity and truth.

Anyway, I congratulate you, you've arrived at a good beginner level, maybe even approaching amateur. However I wouldn't call that a significant improvement. It's just a realization of your potential. Maybe there's some more room for your growth but still there IS a limit and your age is an important factor and I don't understand why people deny this.

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P.S. Look at the Leaderboard, https://www.chess.com/leaderboard/live

select blitz, rapid. Look where most people are. You think no one tries to improve.

And you must agree that you were better than many players initially. Because you've started as 800. Some start at 400 (if we talk about Rapid)

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Realisation of potential is improvement mate. meh Also no one said age has 0 to do with it. It's a known fact that it's easier to learn things when you're a kid. But you spoke about people hard stuck at 200 elo and that's just not the case. Even a 70 year old who has never played chess in their life would be able to pass 200 elo with enough practice and dedication. You're just moving the goal posts.

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basketstorm wrote:

P.S. Look at the Leaderboard, https://www.chess.com/leaderboard/live

select blitz, rapid. Look where most people are. You think no one tries to improve.

And you must agree that you were better than many players initially. Because you've started as 800. Some start at 400 (if we talk about Rapid)

Yes absolutely I started better than a lot of players on here..... but that's not what I'm disputing. All I'm disputing is the claim that people shouldn't bother trying to improve. My account is proof it's possible.

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Also if you're talking about my rank on the leaderboards..... that's Blitz. I plat on my phone and have decided to save Blitz until I'm playing on pc again. I have played 2 games of Blitz. If anything my rating is higher than it should be in Blitz.

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KronosMC90 wrote:
basketstorm wrote:

P.S. Look at the Leaderboard, https://www.chess.com/leaderboard/live

select blitz, rapid. Look where most people are. You think no one tries to improve.

And you must agree that you were better than many players initially. Because you've started as 800. Some start at 400 (if we talk about Rapid)

Yes absolutely I started better than a lot of players on here..... but that's not what I'm disputing. All I'm disputing is the claim that people shouldn't bother trying to improve. My account is proof it's possible.

I started at 195, grinded it out, and jumped 400 points to 500 in LESS THAN A MONTH. I just shifted my mentality, did puzzles and studied my games, and while yes I still make a LOT of mistakes, I have shown so much improvement even my friends on here are impressed. I want to reach a ELO where I can get Titled players in my lobbies, and if he's saying as a teenager about to become a adult that I'm gonna be hard locked and theres nothing I can do about it, hes dead wrong.

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Vertemes wrote:
KronosMC90 wrote:
basketstorm wrote:

P.S. Look at the Leaderboard, https://www.chess.com/leaderboard/live

select blitz, rapid. Look where most people are. You think no one tries to improve.

And you must agree that you were better than many players initially. Because you've started as 800. Some start at 400 (if we talk about Rapid)

Yes absolutely I started better than a lot of players on here..... but that's not what I'm disputing. All I'm disputing is the claim that people shouldn't bother trying to improve. My account is proof it's possible.

I started at 195, grinded it out, and jumped 400 points to 500 in LESS THAN A MONTH. I just shifted my mentality, did puzzles and studied my games, and while yes I still make a LOT of mistakes, I have shown so much improvement even my friends on here are impressed. I want to reach a ELO where I can get Titled players in my lobbies, and if he's saying as a teenager about to become a adult that I'm gonna be hard locked and theres nothing I can do about it, hes dead wrong.

Improvement is absolutely possible. I still don't think I've hit my limit yet and I'm 34 years old.

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I'm working on playing daily games to increase my blunder awareness, then slowly work my way back into rapid so I can pratice it a bit quicker.

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Good question! I found the best way to improve is to study tactics and how to use them. This means studying checkmate types and also how the are formed. I also found having a basic idea openings also helps as it gets you in a good position to use said tactics for effect. Lastly, endgames! My god, the best thing I ever did was study endgames because you can turn a lose into a draw or a win with the right moves. Chessable has some amazing free courses to try that will help you get the hang of things. I also recommend Chess Gotham's book to show you the ropes. Lastly, repetition, repetition and repetition will help you the most.

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Potential is not infinite, mate, the post becomes immovable at some point. Even for Magnus. Yes maybe people stuck here not only at 200, leaderboard shows that most stuck at 400 but 200-300 - also many many. I don't know why are you arguing, why everyone is arguing here, I'm sorry that I'm ruining your hopes but this is truth, no need to insult me. You think anyone can become a GM just with enough practice? So many IMs struggle and invest lot of time and still can't. No, not GM? IM? No? CM? Lower? Where? Is it only about practice and dedication or maybe there's individual factor? That's what I'm saying. Everyone has some predefined level, you can reach it with enough dedication, but then it's the brick wall. Young starting age is the key to push that wall further, isn't it obvious?

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basketstorm wrote:

Potential is not infinite, mate, the post becomes immovable at some point. Even for Magnus. Yes maybe people stuck here not only at 200, leaderboard shows that most stuck at 400 but 200-300 - also many many. I don't know why are you arguing, why everyone is arguing here, I'm sorry that I'm ruining your hopes but this is truth, no need to insult me. You think anyone can become a GM just with enough practice? So many IMs struggle and invest lot of time and still can't. No, not GM? IM? No? CM? Lower? Where? Is it only about practice and dedication or maybe there's individual factor? That's what I'm saying. Everyone has some predefined level, you can reach it with enough dedication, but then it's the brick wall. Young starting age is the key to push that wall further, isn't it obvious?

You're moving the goal posts again. I haven't said potential is limitless. I do not believe I have gm potential I don't even think I have master potential. What I disagreed with was you saying that it's basically impossible to improve as an adult. This is just categorically not true.

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Yes, exactly, everyone has their own essentially fixed potential and believe it or not, for some it is as low as 200 Elo and once you reach your potential, yes it is basically impossible to improve as an adult.