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The lessons do not help at all
laurengoodkindchess

What lessons are you talking about?  

please_can_i_win_a_game

I don't disagree, but for a different reason. I cannot find where I can incorporate the lessons into my games. I don't doubt the helpfulness of lessons, but I struggle trying to replicate my learnings onto a real match.

sholom90
Lurking_Garbage wrote:

I don't disagree, but for a different reason. I cannot find where I can incorporate the lessons into my games. I don't doubt the helpfulness of lessons, but I struggle trying to replicate my learnings onto a real match.

It will come.  I notice in my games that I'm starting to see more tactics than before.  I still miss, for example, an occasional pin or skewer, but I think I miss them less often.  

The tactic lessons here are very good for that.

Two words: pattern recognition!

Magnus_Chase19

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Magnus_Chase19

it helps

u just need to concentrate

 

 

NiceAndFlowy
Lurking_Garbage wrote:

I don't disagree, but for a different reason. I cannot find where I can incorporate the lessons into my games. I don't doubt the helpfulness of lessons, but I struggle trying to replicate my learnings onto a real match.

you did 7 lessons on chess.com ( and probably nothing else, no books, no courses, no other lessons, nothing),and you already expect an improvement... it's like asking why i don't look like schwarzenegger after one day at the gym..

XequeYourself
Lurking_Garbage wrote:

I don't disagree, but for a different reason. I cannot find where I can incorporate the lessons into my games. I don't doubt the helpfulness of lessons, but I struggle trying to replicate my learnings onto a real match.

 

It sounds like maybe you're looking for the lessons to give you a bit of a playbook for certain games or scenarios maybe? I also started out learning hoping for that but very quickly found that the lessons felt completely detached from what was going on in a game. Particularly on one of the other apps where the lessons are based on GM games that are interesting but a set of positions that I don't think would ever realisically appear at my level.

One example of something I took from lessons that's starting to help is the idea about pawn structure being important. It's not like I sat down and watched a lesson on pawn structure and now I know everything...but having had the message drilled into me over and over again, I at least try not to rush into a simple pawn capture and instead start looking at alternatives, whether or not I could leave their knight hanging for a bit longer, what benefit breaking up my nice pawn structure would offer to the opponent, etc. That's where I personally found lessons have been helpful.

But that wasn't one lesson applied to my game that immediately helps, more like a long time dipping into lessons and slowly building up an idea of things over time.

please_can_i_win_a_game
NiceAndFlowy wrote:
Lurking_Garbage wrote:

I don't disagree, but for a different reason. I cannot find where I can incorporate the lessons into my games. I don't doubt the helpfulness of lessons, but I struggle trying to replicate my learnings onto a real match.

you did 7 lessons on chess.com ( and probably nothing else, no books, no courses, no other lessons, nothing),and you already expect an improvement... it's like asking why i don't look like schwarzenegger after one day at the gym..

 

I am a little insulted, but your words aren't unfounded.

I should've worded my comment differently. I meant to say that despite the myriad of help from other users from my previous posts, I still have trouble incorporating their assistance into my games. They have provided texts, medias, and all sorts of alternative resources to aid me. There's even one incredible user who's taken their time to DM me help on specific problems I have. Unfortunately, I still don't have the experience to recognize the patterns they teach me.

I also failed to mention that I play largely on the mobile app on a different account (which I won't name for privacy). This website doesn't reflect the games I do, of course, but I doubt it would make a difference anyway.

Apologies if my profile and comment made me seem ignorant.

mrizzo14

You should play longer time controls in order to be able to apply what you're learning. Rapid (and especially blitz) require you to have already mastered pattern recognition and play mostly on instinct. I see that your most recent game was daily, so perhaps you're already ahead of me. Be patient. There's always a gap between studying something in a vacuum and being able to utilize what you've learned in an actual game.

please_can_i_win_a_game
mrizzo14 wrote:

You should play longer time controls in order to be able to apply what you're learning. Rapid (and especially blitz) require you to have already mastered pattern recognition and play mostly on instinct. I see that your most recent game was daily, so perhaps you're already ahead of me. Be patient. There's always a gap between studying something in a vacuum and being able to utilize what you've learned in an actual game.

 

I resigned that Daily by the second move. Once I realized the time frame, I knew I wasn't ready to commit to such a long game.

JackRoach

The opening lessons are really helping my a lot.

JackRoach

The other lessons are helping as well, but not as much.

Do1o

I think lessons are supposed to be used by new people. Like others said its more for pattern recognition as well

MSteen

Chess is a game of very slow and incremental gains. And learning chess is not like building a house--start from the foundation and work your way up from there. It's more like constructing a web--you start with one bit of knowledge, and then that connects to two others, and then they connect, etc. etc. When you do tactics, or study an endgame, or play over a master game, or analyze one of your losses, you may not immediately see how any of it improves your play. And often it does not--right away. But you are gradually building up knowledge and strength, and, almost unconsciously, your game will begin to improve. 
Of course, this happens much more quickly if you have youth, time, and aptitude, but it does happen to every beginner who is serious about the game. Eventually, though, your gains will begin to level out and you will hit your peak. After that, you may make some minor or temporary improvements, but essentially you'll be where you're meant to be. It may be GM, or it may be 1200. Above all, enjoy the game.

sholom90

Well put, @ashtondayrider.  I have come to believe that after learning basics in opening principles and tactics, that pawn structures are what takes you to another level and/or seeing the board in a whole new way.  This is sort of how Michael Stean describes it in the intro to his book Simple Chess (only $9.95 at Amazon, and not the same book as John Emms' Simple Chess).

Reading it has really opened my eyes in term of how to see the board.  I can now see things that I've never seen before (being able to implement them is a whole 'nother matter, but I'll get there).  He has, for example, chapters on outposts, minority attacks, weak pawns, and more.  (He also points out that because pawns can't move backwards, a mistake in your pawn pushing is irrevocable, which is what makes it so important).

@MSteen -- you raise a good point too, that everything is connected to everything else.  I heard someone else recommend: if you don't know which area to study, pick the one that's fun for you.  I might also add that the brain works better that way.  In other words, if you have one hour to study today, you will probably learn more if you, e.g., spend some time on both tactics and endgames, then if you spend the entire hour learning just one of those two things.

MarkGrubb

@MSteen +1. Give it time (months and years not days and weeks). It takes time to learn and remember individual lessons and be able to recall the ideas they are teaching. Then as @MSteen says, it also takes time to knit these ideas together. Resources are often good at one thing but not at another. Some tell you What but not Why and vice versa, and then the What and Why dont always explain How which you will find elsewhere. This is why studying a range of sources and playing long games is important. The brain will slowly make sense of it and one morning you'll wake up a little bit better.