What should be the first 2 openings I analyze and learn?

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archaja
NervesofButter hat geschrieben:

OP:

If you dont know how to win this with white and how to draw this with black.  You are no where near ready to tackle openings.

 

 

That reminds me of an article from "Gserper": https://www.chess.com/de/article/view/magnus-carlsen-kennt-dieses-endspiel-du-auch

here, he talks about his beginnings in the sowjet-chess school. He himself could not get the right answer to the following position:

Because he did not know the right move (Ke3) but decided to do e4 instead he was ordered to the absolut beginners in the game. So, NervesofButter, I agree with you!

GeorgeWyhv14
NervesofButter wrote:
archaja wrote:
NervesofButter hat geschrieben:

OP:

If you dont know how to win this with white and how to draw this with black.  You are no where near ready to tackle openings.

 

 

That reminds me of an article from "Gserper": https://www.chess.com/de/article/view/magnus-carlsen-kennt-dieses-endspiel-du-auch

here, he talks about his beginnings in the sowjet-chess school. He himself could not get the right answer to the following position:

 

Because he did not know the right move (Ke3) but decided to do e4 instead he was ordered to the absolut beginners in the game. So, NervesofButter, I agree with you!

I have always loved how chess study was explained to me by an old coach.

He would say:  "Think of chess study as like building a house."

Endgames are the foundation. 

Middlegames are the walls and support.

Openings are the roof. 

It wont matter how sturdy, solid and pretty the roof is if you do not have a solid foundation.  the roof will collapse.

You have a point there @ Butter

Marie-AnneLiz
NervesofButter a écrit :
archaja wrote:
NervesofButter hat geschrieben:

OP:

If you dont know how to win this with white and how to draw this with black.  You are no where near ready to tackle openings.

 

 

That reminds me of an article from "Gserper": https://www.chess.com/de/article/view/magnus-carlsen-kennt-dieses-endspiel-du-auch

here, he talks about his beginnings in the sowjet-chess school. He himself could not get the right answer to the following position:

 

Because he did not know the right move (Ke3) but decided to do e4 instead he was ordered to the absolut beginners in the game. So, NervesofButter, I agree with you!

I have always loved how chess study was explained to me by an old coach.

He would say:  "Think of chess study as like building a house."

Endgames are the foundation. 

Middlegames are the walls and support.

Openings are the roof. 

It wont matter how sturdy, solid and pretty the roof is if you do not have a solid foundation.  the roof will collapse.

Dividing a game into stages (opening, middlegame, and endgame) has both pedagogical and practical advantages. Thus, it is possible to give guides to orient oneself and lead the game that applies relatively well to one stage or another.

But it must be understood that such divisions are superficial approximations to finding the truth in a position.

The truth is that a player must orient himself and lead the game according to the present, latent and potential activity. This is more difficult because it requires concrete thinking, but it becomes a bit easier when you consider the game as an organic whole.

Seen this way, during the initial moves sometimes there is not much to do other than activate the pieces that are not yet (develop them), but sometimes you have to solve specific problems (as in a middlegame) and development takes a back seat. And both in the middlegame and in the opening, it is necessary to consider where the pieces are placed and, above all, the pawns in the face of the activity of both players if one or the other pieces are removed from the board.

 Sometimes it happens that before all the pieces are developed and the kings are safely put away, actions arise that force development to be left aside, and where it is even necessary to exchange material and move on to an endgame before the opening has formally ended. I mean, sometimes reality doesn't fit theory because reality doesn't care about theory.

archaja

@Marie-AnneLiz: it´s perfectly ok what you say. But let´s not loose sight of what this thread is all about. It´s not about discussion things which are more than too far advanced for a beginner (it is already too far advanced for a player like me). It´s a discussion wether a beginner should learn some openings or focus to other things. Your understanding of the hidden laws of chess is not what the op needs. So, if you would like to discuss such things, make your own thread. I will eagerly join.

Chuck639
Kopamed wrote:

I don't know any opening very well but I want to learn an opening deeply and start using it in my games. I want to learn one aggressive and a passive/defensive one. Any suggestions? 

This is just my personal experience and not recommendation.

First, everybody has different goals. Secondly, everybody learns differently. Lastly, you can do what every you please especially if it keeps you engaged and enjoying the game.

I started off with the Kings Gambit, Old Variation Sicilian and Englunds Gambit and it brought me from 800 to 1400. I just want to counter attack and have quick decisive games. I have defeated players as strong as 2000  and that’s good enough for me.

Nowadays, I am more tamed and sober so I play the English, Dragondorf and Modern-Pterodactyl lines with my peppermint tea in preparation for OTB.

The English (Reversed Sicilian as White) was a natural shift because I banked all of the Sicilian experience (which you shouldn’t learn as a 800).

Everybody learns differently, so in my case with an engineering and business management background, I worked best off ideas, results oriented, abstract thinking, analysis, math and was successful in tracking my personal KPIs along the way. I still refuse to own one chess book to this day.

Not the typical yada yada cookie cutter approach.

EKAFC

Try different openings and see what works best for you. Learn a few ideas and if it works great. If not then try something else. I used to play 1.e4 when I was less than 1200 until I couldn't find a concrete way of playing it. So I tried the Queen's Gambit and I play it almost all the time now. And just because it works for me doesn't mean I have to just stick with it. I'm also trying to get back to play 1.e4 to understand different openings because sometimes, you transpose into other pawn structures found in other openings 

MisterWindUpBird
archaja wrote:

@Marie-AnneLiz: it´s perfectly ok what you say. But let´s not loose sight of what this thread is all about. It´s a discussion wether a beginner should learn some openings or focus to other things. 

No, it isn't. 

It's an enquiry about which two openings would be best to start opening studies with.

MisterWindUpBird

To the OP, you seem to want to play 1.e4 as white, from your games played... Since you're starting studying from square one, you may as well start with something that's going to provide a good foundation for long-term study... something that you can build a broader repertoire from. 1.e4 isn't my thing... Ruy Lopez is meant to be good, apparently. Maybe that? But once you start studying, pick and stick with it. As black Caro kann/Slav is a solid relatively uncomplicated option... 

archaja
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archaja wrote:

@Marie-AnneLiz: it´s perfectly ok what you say. But let´s not loose sight of what this thread is all about. It´s a discussion wether a beginner should learn some openings or focus to other things. 

No, it isn't. 

It's an enquiry about which two openings would be best to start opening studies with.

You are right, that was the original question. But because I don´t think that this is a good way to improve for a beginner I beg you to be allowed to express my opinions.

Chuck639
archaja wrote:
MisterWindUpBird hat geschrieben:
archaja wrote:

@Marie-AnneLiz: it´s perfectly ok what you say. But let´s not loose sight of what this thread is all about. It´s a discussion wether a beginner should learn some openings or focus to other things. 

No, it isn't. 

It's an enquiry about which two openings would be best to start opening studies with.

You are right, that was the original question. But because I don´t think that this is a good way to improve for a beginner I beg you to be allowed to express my opinions.

The last live rapid game you played was from 2020, pretty hypocritical inaction to sit out for well over a year and then tell others on how to improve.

Talk is cheap. 

Derek-C-Goodwin

I liked

London for black, solid and easy to learn, some nice traps too.

Danish, attack, attack attack!!!

Its all fun.

Marie-AnneLiz
archaja a écrit :

@Marie-AnneLiz: it´s perfectly ok what you say. But let´s not loose sight of what this thread is all about. It´s not about discussion things which are more than too far advanced for a beginner (it is already too far advanced for a player like me). It´s a discussion wether a beginner should learn some openings or focus to other things. Your understanding of the hidden laws of chess is not what the op needs. So, if you would like to discuss such things, make your own thread. I will eagerly join.

I already told him here many days ago with 4 video link witch opening i suggested and i'm not the one who suggested to him not to learn any opening but to only study end game....you are the one who did derail the thread and i just expressed my disagreement with your point of view.

Marie-AnneLiz
Marie-AnneLiz a écrit :
archaja a écrit :

@Marie-AnneLiz: it´s perfectly ok what you say. But let´s not loose sight of what this thread is all about. It´s not about discussion things which are more than too far advanced for a beginner (it is already too far advanced for a player like me). It´s a discussion wether a beginner should learn some openings or focus to other things. Your understanding of the hidden laws of chess is not what the op needs. So, if you would like to discuss such things, make your own thread. I will eagerly join.

I already many days ago told him here with 4 video link witch opening i suggested and i'm not the one who suggested to him not to learn any opening but to only study end game....so your comment is irrelevant because i'm not the one who have derailed this thread,i'm just commenting to many ill advise post imo.

 

hermanjohnell
NervesofButter skrev:

OP:

If you dont know how to win this with white and how to draw this with black.  You are no where near ready to tackle openings.

 

But if one doesn´t survive the opening stage of a game one will never be in that position.

 

archaja
Marie-AnneLiz hat geschrieben:
archaja a écrit :

@Marie-AnneLiz: it´s perfectly ok what you say. But let´s not loose sight of what this thread is all about. It´s not about discussion things which are more than too far advanced for a beginner (it is already too far advanced for a player like me). It´s a discussion wether a beginner should learn some openings or focus to other things. Your understanding of the hidden laws of chess is not what the op needs. So, if you would like to discuss such things, make your own thread. I will eagerly join.

I already told him here many days ago with 4 video link witch opening i suggested and i'm not the one who suggested to him not to learn any opening but to only study end game....you are the one who did derail the thread and i just expressed my disagreement with your point of view.

Ah, well, seems I´ve overlooked it. My fault! Nevertheless I stick to my opinion, that the golden rules are enough for a longer time, till some good understanding of the fundametals of the game are sunk into the player.

archaja
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archaja wrote:
MisterWindUpBird hat geschrieben:
archaja wrote:

@Marie-AnneLiz: it´s perfectly ok what you say. But let´s not loose sight of what this thread is all about. It´s a discussion wether a beginner should learn some openings or focus to other things. 

No, it isn't. 

It's an enquiry about which two openings would be best to start opening studies with.

You are right, that was the original question. But because I don´t think that this is a good way to improve for a beginner I beg you to be allowed to express my opinions.

The last live rapid game you played was from 2020, pretty hypocritical inaction to sit out for well over a year and then tell others on how to improve.

Talk is cheap. 

 

Oh, so, master of clairvoyance, I did not know that this thread is all about rapid games.... so I´m sorry that I, as a player of daily games only said something about the topic.

Chuck639
archaja wrote:
Chuck639 hat geschrieben:
archaja wrote:
MisterWindUpBird hat geschrieben:
archaja wrote:

@Marie-AnneLiz: it´s perfectly ok what you say. But let´s not loose sight of what this thread is all about. It´s a discussion wether a beginner should learn some openings or focus to other things. 

No, it isn't. 

It's an enquiry about which two openings would be best to start opening studies with.

You are right, that was the original question. But because I don´t think that this is a good way to improve for a beginner I beg you to be allowed to express my opinions.

The last live rapid game you played was from 2020, pretty hypocritical inaction to sit out for well over a year and then tell others on how to improve.

Talk is cheap. 

 

Oh, so, master of clairvoyance, I did not know that this thread is all about rapid games.... so I´m sorry that I, as a player of daily games only said something about the topic.

No need to apologize.

A live rapid rating is a stronger indicator of somebody’s  skill level (rapid being the longest live time control on this site). The OP should be very careful on getting advice from the internet, so they only way he can decipher credible advice is to do a little background history check.

 

navinashok

Out of anything, study the king's indian, Its really easy and you can make like 12 master moves by just learning the opening. Scandinavian main line is complicated but it works too.

navinashok
Chuck639 wrote:
archaja wrote:
Chuck639 hat geschrieben:
archaja wrote:
MisterWindUpBird hat geschrieben:
archaja wrote:

@Marie-AnneLiz: it´s perfectly ok what you say. But let´s not loose sight of what this thread is all about. It´s a discussion wether a beginner should learn some openings or focus to other things. 

No, it isn't. 

It's an enquiry about which two openings would be best to start opening studies with.

You are right, that was the original question. But because I don´t think that this is a good way to improve for a beginner I beg you to be allowed to express my opinions.

The last live rapid game you played was from 2020, pretty hypocritical inaction to sit out for well over a year and then tell others on how to improve.

Talk is cheap. 

You're cheap                                                                                                      IM SORRY THATS WHAT SHE SAID

 

Oh, so, master of clairvoyance, I did not know that this thread is all about rapid games.... so I´m sorry that I, as a player of daily games only said something about the topic.

No need to apologize.

A live rapid rating is a stronger indicator of somebody’s  skill level (rapid being the longest live time control on this site). The OP should be very careful on getting advice from the internet, so they only way he can decipher credible advice is to do a little background history check.

 

 

archaja
Chuck639 hat geschrieben:
archaja wrote:
Chuck639 hat geschrieben:
archaja wrote:
MisterWindUpBird hat geschrieben:
archaja wrote:

@Marie-AnneLiz: it´s perfectly ok what you say. But let´s not loose sight of what this thread is all about. It´s a discussion wether a beginner should learn some openings or focus to other things. 

No, it isn't. 

It's an enquiry about which two openings would be best to start opening studies with.

You are right, that was the original question. But because I don´t think that this is a good way to improve for a beginner I beg you to be allowed to express my opinions.

The last live rapid game you played was from 2020, pretty hypocritical inaction to sit out for well over a year and then tell others on how to improve.

Talk is cheap. 

 

Oh, so, master of clairvoyance, I did not know that this thread is all about rapid games.... so I´m sorry that I, as a player of daily games only said something about the topic.

No need to apologize.

A live rapid rating is a stronger indicator of somebody’s  skill level (rapid being the longest live time control on this site). The OP should be very careful on getting advice from the internet, so they only way he can decipher credible advice is to do a little background history check.

 

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