What to do about the "Berserker" player?

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11PopPop

I'm new to this crazy game. I watched 4 of John Bartholomew's YT videos on the Fundamentals.  It's going fairly well.  I still make WAY too many blunders, but I'm doing better at ... controlling the center squares ... leaving (fewer) pieces undefended ... coordinating my pieces.  

About four folks I've played have (right in the Opening) gone "berserk" on me with their Queens.  Here I am trying to methodically improve and I fall apart to the Berserker's slashing play.

Is there a solution to this craziness?

baddogno

Yes there is, but you have to be good enough to recognize the weaknesses the berserk play has created and punish them for it.  Alas, this takes time and experience.  Console yourself with the knowledge that specialists in this kind of unprincipled play will soon plateau and languish at a low level while you continue to get better.

MarkGrubb

The berserkers will fall behind in development. They will make too many queen moves while you improve your control of the centre and of space generally. Try to defend against their threats, ideally by developing your pieces, and methodically complete your development. As @baddogno says, with experience, as your tactical knowledge improves, you will learn how to punish unprincipled play.

11PopPop

Thanks for the encouragement, guys.

jtmccann15

Yeah it’s good that your facing this because learning how to take advantage of early queen play is one of the things that will separate you from complete beginners. 

Antonin1957

My understanding is that berserker play represents an old, one dimensional style of chess.  I agree with MarkGrubb and baddogno that you will eventually learn how to punish such a playing style. 

Signal25

This type of play can be intimidating. Although a novice myself, the best advice I would give, is to take your time; look calmly at the board and evaluate an appropriate response. Don't let their aggressive and undisciplined play dictate the way you play your game. 

ustavnjak

Try to open analysis and play your opening from either side for a few moves and try thinking "what happens or what can I do if my opponents plays this here?".

Don't go too deep as you probably won't memorize it anyway.

Also, analyse every game you play. It's a great and fun way to learn. I like doing it immediately after a game.

nklristic
11PopPop wrote:

I'm new to this crazy game. I watched 4 of John Bartholomew's YT videos on the Fundamentals.  It's going fairly well.  I still make WAY too many blunders, but I'm doing better at ... controlling the center squares ... leaving (fewer) pieces undefended ... coordinating my pieces.  

About four folks I've played have (right in the Opening) gone "berserk" on me with their Queens.  Here I am trying to methodically improve and I fall apart to the Berserker's slashing play.

Is there a solution to this craziness?

Probably the most important thing is playing longer time controls. 15 minutes per side should be minimum for us weaker players.

TheReturn16

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DarkKnightAttack
11PopPop wrote:

I'm new to this crazy game. I watched 4 of John Bartholomew's YT videos on the Fundamentals.  It's going fairly well.  I still make WAY too many blunders, but I'm doing better at ... controlling the center squares ... leaving (fewer) pieces undefended ... coordinating my pieces.  

About four folks I've played have (right in the Opening) gone "berserk" on me with their Queens.  Here I am trying to methodically improve and I fall apart to the Berserker's slashing play.

Is there a solution to this craziness?

You should be playing longer time control games and take your time to think. Before you make a move check if you are not leaving a piece or pawn undefended. Usually early queen attacks, they don't work well. You just need to calm down, and look for all possible ways you can defend!

practiceO

Basically every time their queen moves, look at what new squares are under attack and defend them or make a bigger threat. Developing your knights, bishops, and pawns in a way that attack his vulnerable queen so you gain tempo and he is forced to move the queen multiple times leaving you ahead in development straight out of the opening phase.

XavisDOS

One thing I've found Useful is trying to develop your knights and bishops into positions that defend your pieces or attack the queen. another thing I found useful is seeing all the pieces the queen is attacking and defending them. Still I find the Berserk attack hard to defend  

11PopPop

Hmm.  I played a few more of this kind of player.  

I started to get good at defeating them ... and (suddenly) I am losing to them again.  I'm so rattled I'm losing to everybody I play right now.

I started playing the Chess.com computer a lot.  But that's weird.  The computer takes crazy chances and sacrifices minor players like crazy. None of the people I play against play like the computer.

I guess you can't learn this game in a month, huh?  Maybe I can get my grandkids to do puzzles with me instead...!

MarkGrubb

A month!?! It can take years to become an intermediate player.

11PopPop
MarkGrubb wrote:

A month!?! It can take years to become an intermediate player.


I wondered if anyone would catch that... wink.png

Maybe for mere mortals, but.... tongue.png

3h61-0
11PopPop wrote:

Hmm.  I played a few more of this kind of player.  

I started to get good at defeating them ... and (suddenly) I am losing to them again.  I'm so rattled I'm losing to everybody I play right now.

I started playing the Chess.com computer a lot.  But that's weird.  The computer takes crazy chances and sacrifices minor players like crazy. None of the people I play against play like the computer.

I guess you can't learn this game in a month, huh?  Maybe I can get my grandkids to do puzzles with me instead...!

Nah.You're just on "tilt"

It is happening to me now

3h61-0

Although becoming an intermediate player takes definitely more than one month

3h61-0

unless you are Magnus....................................